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(Credit for the amazing artwork and AU goes to @fazfuri )
(All credit for the AU and artwork used go to @fazfuri )
—This is an attempt to get the panels in order—
Mr. Ford Pines: "Do you believe in god?"
Deity Bill: "No! Stop talking."
Mr. Ford: "Once upon a time, mankind believed in god and had religion."
Deity: *sighs*
Mr. Ford: "They believed that things that cannot be solved by human strength are the will of god; believed that the entire universe revolved around the Earth; thought that the place that connected with the sky, which they could not dare to reach, was the place where the gods lived."
Deity: "That's just ridiculous."
Mr. Ford: "From the moment humanity left the universe, we all forgot god."
...
Mr. Ford: "But if belief in god is human. If all I can do as a human is to believe–"
Deity: "Why are you staring at me? "
Mr. Ford: "My god..."
Deity: "Hey — hey! Wait! "
Mr. Ford: "...My universe."
Deity: "Ah, go away! Ahhhh! "
("Star Falls" AU and artwork featured are created by @fazfuri )
(Incorrect Quote sourced from the Alien Stage Ivan & Till cover of the song "My Clematis".)
!!Check out my reblogged post of the one I made that came after this one, if you want to see the full panels in order!!
Happy Valentine's Day
I had a bad night so I decided to watch alien stage because I thought it was just a fun little gay show but NOOOO it was a sad gay show
One year ago, the video that changed me forever was realised.... I can't believe how fast the time has passed since then....❤️🩹
Happy 1st Cureversary 💔
source: Qmeng's official Instagram
P.S: The second image is just an old illustration, which Qmeng had posted on her Instagram. It's not related to Alnst, although there is a similarity between these two nameless characters and Ivan and Till.
The cause of IvanTill-fandom's suffering:
• Ivan's unrequited love for Till
The cure for this suffering:
• Till to fall in love with Ivan:
source: @nius0502 on Twitter
Vivimeng: ,,We can help you!"
Their cure:
• Ivan and Till's actors acting like a couple [ which, of course, they are but secretly ]
Fandom's honest reaction:
Phase 1
Phase 2
They have matching piercing on the left ear 😍
Ahhh, now this is something else. Thank you, Vivimeng 🤤❤️❤️❤️
source: @manhaw30 on Pinterest
Looks like sometimes Ivan was also a source of comfort for Till.
source: @manhaw30 on Pinterest & @sunashia on Twitter
Ivan probably has been still alive in those last seconds at the end of r6, when Till was looking at him. And maybe, while Till was staring, Ivan was crying [ because of the pain ], taking his last breaths before completely losing consciousness and die...
What Till saw at the end of r6:
source: @manhaw30 on Pinterest & @sunashia on Twitter
The more I listen to it, the more I fall in love with this song ❤️
[ and, just so you to know, it took me almost one year to start feeling this way... to start accepting what happened in round 6 and be able to enjoy the music without been constantly reminding about their doomed relationship... ]
source: Manhaw30 on Pinterest
What was Mizi to Till, that was Till to Ivan, but with one significant difference - Ivan's feelings were much deeper than Till's ones. ❤️
[ btw, this is one of my favorite arts of them ]
Nowhere, Black Sorrow and an interpretation of Ivan's love
Gonna talk a bit about Ivan's emotional state in Nowhere and how it… is mostly right there in Black Sorrow too, just in a slightly more matured manner. I've got some similarities and differences I wanna highlight!
(It'd be good to read my lil initial impressions on the release of Nowhere first, tho!)
Firstly, the key thing about interpreting the content of Nowhere is that it's a private song. Written for Ivan himself, composed with no outside input, never meant for public performance. Therefore, in it, we can trust that Ivan is expressing himself as freely as he can (through the lens of his stunted emotional development yet strong ability to look inward and rationalize, but still), which is a very rare occurrence, given that one of his biggest traits is being private and cagey. The song Nowhere is raw emotion for a change, an open display of his head and heart.
And it sounds like just that. We hear the result of Ivan trying a romantic, ballad-like love song, starting with that and presumably just scrapping it for the subsequent melodic, hopeless freestyle rap session about his loneliness, pain, sense of being fundamentally unlovable/unwanted, belief that his existence is devoid of value and his pessimism.
But the love he knows he feels for Till IS there, fantastically represented by the ballad-like part that stays in the background for the rest of Nowhere. And it's recognized for what it is.
… which is a big deal in itself!! Ivan talks down on his capacity for love a lot and would later call it a "shallow emotion", but he's way too analytical and knows himself too well to be avoiding that love is what it is. He damn well knows he's in love. And this song, the earliest song in his musical timeline, is pretty much the only place he says it out loud.
Followed, of course, by all those verses about his meaningless and inconsequential life, being overwhelmed yet persisting calmly/numbly, the light he can't look at and dreams/hopes that are unreachable from the beginning because everything (and himself) is stained. And yet, the recognition of his emotions stays running in the background; to be literal about it, his feeling of love stays present and sung no matter how deep he dives into his bleak outlook. Constant, steady, never drowned out. Two things that are truths to Ivan. It feels to me like precisely the two factors that govern his inner emotional life: the belief that he's not built for it and the knowledge that he loves, regardless.
And "this always happens to me" is the sentiment that results from all that, taking the spotlight as the general mood and baseline of Nowhere.
His belief that that the boy he was in the slums - a human who didn't feel like he belonged anywhere, neither an equal existence in relation to the segyein nor feeling part of humanity, a type of existence that's stained and rejected - is the same person he is in Anakt Garden and the ame persona he will continue to be. Of course, that applies to his love too. Not gonna work out because that's just how it is for someone like him, another piece of the "this always happens to me", destined to be unwanted.
(We've gotta remember that Nowhere was written at the time he was living in Anakt Garden [source: official post], the time where he developed his feelings for Till and tried to be close to him in ways that neither Till nor Ivan himself could understand properly - so, is it surprising at all that he'd continue to feel mismatched with other humans, stained, wrong and hopeless? My personal belief here is that what he experiences with Till echoes with what he experienced in the slums, all contributing to sustain his view and thoughts about himself as an individual. It's all the same. Again: this always happens to him.)
Now here's the thing: that defeatist attitude about loving Till is honestly the same one he carries over to Black Sorrow and is guided by throughout all of the main Alien Stage storyline.
Another thing that's very important to remember in regards to THAT is that Ivan never told Till how he felt in any type of way, he also didn't intend to show it or let it be known in way Till could interpret, understand and give an answer to [source: Vivimeng Q&A at the 2024 GAF event of which we only have attendee records]. He mostly fought, made up, played and spent time with Till. The most straightforward example of "acting upon his feelings" we could refer to is when he asked Till if he wanted to kiss [source: official comic], which was absolutely not framed as a confession of romantic inclinations, but just as "something some kids in Anakt are doing". It was neither expressed nor understood for its true human meaning. Ivan never says anything because he has simply assumed that he's unlovable, considers himself rejected by default (he's aware Till likes Mizi, but it's been made clear that this is mostly irrelevant to him, Till could love anybody or no one at all and he'd still have his pessimistic outlook because he considers himself the problem [source: GAF event Q&A again]) and leaves it at that. Around the segyein, he even goes out of his way to protect either Till, the privacy of his own feelings or the nature of love (as one of the few freedoms pet-humans have) by giving the impression that they're not that close and Till is not that important to him [source: Ivan interview from the Alien Stage Patreon, specifically these bits].
With that said, let's recall Black Sorrow.
It's inevitably different because it's not the raw and fully honest Ivan, but a song meant for performing, for an audience and for the competition. Still, it's his character introduction song and it's the one that tells us his viewpoint on Till. And in it, his definition of love is already, well, that it's "his black sorrow". A feeling surrounded by darkness, love for someone unreachable, the knowledge that it ends in a "cold spot stained with blood", not meant to work out for him in any way. Just as he thought at the time of Nowhere.
Because that always happens to him. He thinks that way in Black Sorrow, he thought that way in Nowhere, he still thinks that way in Cure.
But there's one thing that's extremely different between Black Sorrow and Nowhere! And I think it's an important aspect of Ivan that the new song and the new opportunity for character analysis allow us to bring forward.
It's in this little moment, the prelude to the climax of Black Sorrow:
When the first point tally is coming, no matter when you pause the video, Ivan's points are gonna be the same as Marty's. Unlike in Blink Gone, with Luka shown to be leading and Till falling in second place, Ivan and Marty don't know how it's going. But they'll get their final count soon, so this is the point where things need to get real serious. And it's the point when – as he watches the set's falling stars – Ivan dives into his most painful but also very important memory with Till. Through which we reach the song's climax, his performance turns much more emotional and he ultimately crushes Marty's score by a great margin.
What I'm trying to say is: in Black Sorrow, Ivan is in a very similar place as he was in Nowhere, in regards to his emotions and his love. We can assume he's more accustomed to it. But most of all, he's purposefully tapping into his feelings (both his love and his pain), drawing strength from them to deliver a winning performance. It's like opening his chest up and reaching into his heart, yes, but it's also done in a very controlled manner, because as soon as he's able, Ivan composes himself. When he finishes performing, he's his usual calm self again.
(Writing this I realize I'll need another post to dive deeper into Black Sorrow alone to cover some more points that are unique to the song, so I'll leave that for later.)
And that's the aspect of his character that I think is so important to highlight, the fact that he just… know himself so well. And how, despite viewing himself negatively in some ways, he also greatly accepts himself.
Nowhere is a very downbeat song, of course we're all face down in puddles of tears for Ivan, but him? I think it'd be… in a way, misjudging and underestimating him to settle on a very depressive or fully self-loathing view of him. Because he's pessimistic, but in a rational, "that's exactly how things are" kinda way. He looks down on what he considers his bad sides, but also keeps them close and doesn't hesitate to use all of his skills and traits. He's hurting, but he remains collected and undefeated by his various pains. He's emotionally vulnerable but also SO full of sentiment, determined, clever, capable of great acts of gentleness and dedicated as few will ever be.
And, when it comes to his love for Till, his belief that it's doomed to be unrequited doesn't stop him from continuing to feel that way, continuing to look after Till, drawing strength from his love when needed and ultimately do what must be done to push for Till's victory in Cure.
That's all for now! Please remember that these are only my views and that for this piece I focused on interpreting Ivan's love in particular in the context of Nowhere tied to Black Sorrow, so other themes are not as covered (not because they're not important in Nowhere or his whole character, of course) and even most of the nature of that same love is also not covered. I'll continue to write more analysis posts if possible.
I hope it's been an interesting read!
I swear to god if I ever need a cry I just need to watch alien stage again and just weep at the levels of hopeless devotion in Ivan and Sua.
Like what do you mean Ivan critisised Sua for her plan because she knew Mizi loved her and knew that what she had planned would hurt her??? What do you mean that Ivan had no qualms doing the same to Till because he though Till wouldnt care??? What do you mean Ivan became a trigger for Luka to use against Till, the only scenario that Ivan did not think was possible.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN!?
Sobbing. they were all doomed from the start I swear to god.
🌠A divergence from the usual. Comic about a boy whose smile seldom reaches his eyes. Let this goodbye be our final one.
I present to thee, Doomed Gays
[Left to right›› Hetalia, Owari no Seraph, Alien Stage, MDZS, Paradox Live]
Any more to add to this Trainwreck?
Starlight. Who do you see? Who do you smile for?
I hope it's me.
The actual aftermath of Round 6, btw..
they're so fhciffnivbnovuwr
my day be so fine then boom ivantill alien stage
New print for kaizoku con :333 🩷 alnst my beloveds 🫶🏻
