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Look i don’t know where i personally stand on wether transandrophobia is a good useful term or not. But i’ve learned more valuable information about trans men/mascs (that was delivered in a genuine and kind manner) from people who use that term, than i ever have from people who despise the use of transandrophobia.
Hell i’m starting to get to a point where (even though i don’t know how to feel about the etimology) folks that hate it are getting a tentative red flag, because none of them seem to be able to be normal about trans masculine people.
Seriously if yalls first reaction to a trans masc mildly disagreeing with you or having a different interpretation about something is to immediately be a transphobic bully to all trans mascs then you are just kind of an asshole, regardless of if you’re “technically” right about the hill you’re willing to drag all of us through the mud on.
Not to get into community discourse, but I’d like to share a point.
Mind you, I have seen multiple sides to this “debate” as I like to have rounded knowledge before I say my piece, about ANYTHING political or discourse-y.
The statement I’ve seen again and again, in multiple places, is the sentiment that there aren’t bills directly targeting transmascs, or hatred directed specifically at transmascs, or anything else under that umbrella directed at transmascs.
Obviously there have been a lot of good counters to these statements, and I’m not going to repeat something that’s been said better or more eloquently by others.
However, I have yet to see anyone talking about something that, in my opinion, really should be referenced more.
The concept of “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria” (ROGD).
ROGD as a concept was legitimately created to theorize why, all of a sudden, transmascs were coming out and attempting to transition.
Rather than acknowledging the blatant truth- tranness, to these people, was limited to AMABs, and even then, for the longest time “trans healthcare” for ANY trans person was just discouraging transition altogether- they decided to make up a narrative that suited their needs.
That their precious “daughters” were falling victim to a new disorder. Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria.
Rather than help their sons feel comfortable in their own bodies, masses of parents flocked to this idea. Politicians flocked to this idea, and used it as a BASIS for many anti-trans bills.
Need I cite the hopefully infamous book? “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters”? The INFAMOUS book written elaborating this idea? The book used as evidence for countless transphobic bills?
That one concept (which, by the way, ROGD has been discredited by NUMEROUS health organizations worldwide, just in case I needed to clarify that) led to COUNTLESS transmascs facing abuses at home, in school, and elsewhere.
IDK, just food for thought. I think it’s odd that, in all my searching and read throughs of this discourse, NOBODY has mentioned this, even though it’s a pretty good example of transmasc specific oppression.
i'm working on trying to be angrier
grabbing all trans men by the fucking shoulders oh my god. you are allowed to be angry. you SHOULD be angry. you should not have to clarify your words to death, going "i know i dont have it as bad, but-", or put yourself down, "haha yeah, men suck dont we?", you are trans, and you are worthy, and you belong in this fucking community and you deserve to have your voice heard.
trans men get fucking angrier
fellow trans moots just a warning to block the person in the pic who genuinely doesn’t believe that trans men or anyone masc aligning can experience misogyny and believe that we are somehow the oppressors 💀
reminder to people who need to be explained it: TRANS men are STILL minorities. just because we are men does not negate the fact that we are TRANS. its in the same way that white people can experience racism but NOT systemic racism. trans men CAN be oppressors but CANNOT be SYSTEMIC OPPRESSORS due to the fact that WE ARE TRANS.
not only that, ANYONE can be an oppressor LMAO. only some can be a SYSTEMIC OPPRESSOR aka, WEALTHY CISHET WHITE MEN!! not even wealthy, cishet white men in GENERAL benefit from systemic oppression. someone like ME, a BLACK TRANS MAN will NEVER benefit from it. even if i werent black and was instead white, i NEVER WOULD. because i am TRANS. the man part does not matter because all they will look at is the TRANS PART.
may i remind you that trans men are affected by the reproductive rights issues going on currently? if i werent living in my state and i had been in like fucking texas and was assaulted? guess what? i wouldnt be able to get an abortion. and before you say “why didnt you remove your eggs”. 1) why am i expected to? 2) that’s expensive? lmao? and 3) i shouldnt have to have to remove my eggs to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. yall are forgetting that the issue of FORCED PREGNANCY is happening RIGHT NOW. but you dont care because it doesnt affect you.
so in the same way that us as trans men will never experience the issues trans women face, neither will trans women.
i keep seeing other trans people say stuff like this, a lot from certain transfems and its so disheartening to see people from our own community treat us like shit. infighting doesnt fix shit. you are making things worse especially for YOURSELVES by putting other trans people down. if i were to speak about other black people as if they were villians then i cannot be surprised when i am soon also treated like a villian. something something stones at glass house something something leopard eating face party. the trans community can talk about ALL our issues without making one group seem like shitty people just for existing, without putting them down.
you genuinely are no better than transphobes if you act like this. just because you’re trans does not mean youre not transphobic.
at the end of the day, we are still the minority because we are trans. at the end of the day when theyre trying to make us ILLEGAL, they will not care about how much hatred you’re putting out towards other trans people, like yes great! you helped them cause even more separating the trans community more! this is exactly what #they want so instead of helping each other, we are just pooling hatred so guess what! when they get rid of us, we wont be willing to help each other. youre acting just like an undercover fbi agent right now babes with this infighting talk.
for anyone who genuinely thinks this negatively about other fellow trans people, i beg of you to realize that this is exactly what they want. they want the infighting and hatred. and to play this game that became popular back in like 2015-2016
thank you lmao
anyone trying to argue w me will be blocked this is not a discussion. i will not argue with people who genuinely believe i am a shitty person JUST for wanting to be a man. this isnt LGBTQ+ positive yall this is T hatred.
these were posted by someone else but i wanted this on my blog too
the intersexism and transandrophobia combo continues !
fun fact: trans people cannot be oppressors because they have no structural power. that applies to trans women, trans men, and nonbinary people too. hope that helps.
this is actually the reason WHY i didnt come out for so long
i used to say shit like that before i realized i was a dude, my “friends” used to say shit like that, my mom used to say stuff like that
i was scared of realizing that i was a man due to the way everyone talked about them around me
i was nothing like the men they were saying men acted but was scared so badly of being seen that way that i boxed my thoughts of being trans up and sent them to the back of my mind
it was only until i finally felt comfortable (after i dropped all my those shitty people i called “friends”) that i finally let myself discover who i was
i genderfluided myself into a man and never changed back
this comment is also something i picked up on too
ive literally had a trans woman tell me (who used to act the way listed above) that she and many trans women who act like that are insecure about masculinity due to their transition so take it out on people who want to be masculine
im just tired of the queer community hating me for wanting to be a man
im so tired of radfeminism being the main feminist movement in social media
it isnt actual feminism its hatred in a trench coat wearing a mask with the words “feminism”
Yeah probably if you haven't lived the life of a trans man seeing people go "I don't like when people joke about hating men" or something along that line, it probably sounds mra ish.
But in my everyday life, people only address me as a man when they are using it to insult me. I forgot to do XYZ? That's me being a dumb man. I'm talking too long? I'm mansplaining. Etc etc. These are the only times in my real life that people will address me as a man. That's why we use the term 'malgendering', that's why many hate those "trans inclusive misandry" jokes. Because that's the only thing people are trans inclusive in.
It's not everyone, and it's not always, but it is fucking annoying when it happens.
The canine lady isn't supposed to look like anyone in particular, this is just The Vibe (tm) I get from the kind of people who equate Queerness with Femininity Posted 22nd September, 2024
genuinely confused on why people think transandrophobia doesn’t exist like seriously it isn’t clicking for me and I want an objective perspective I just don’t wanna talk to people in the comments of posts anymore because I really don’t wanna get in an argument
"Men aren't oppressed for being men"
Trans men are real men. Trans manhood is real manhood. Trans men are oppressed for being trans men.
You're just a transphobe who hasn't actually internalized trans manhood as real manhood.
You only view manhood as an oppressive force rather than a real, genuine identity someone can feel connected to. This is transphobic.
You don't value the full scope of trans men's experiences as we define them for ourselves. You want us to sit down, shut up and let others make the decisions for us. Something most of us have been told all of our lives but is somehow progressive now that we're men....huh. Our voices are lifted up by feminist language for the misogyny we experience before we transition and then we're thrown out on the curb when we transition. We're "on thin ice" while we're pressured to self flagellate and be ashamed of our identity and when we begin to talk about the complexities of our issues we have our experiences flattened and dismissed.
You can't say trans men are men and try to dissect the trans part from the man part. You are inclined to do this because you have anti-transmasculine biases. Our experiences are the experiences of men, marginalized men who are not valued by the system.
I know people have come up with other words for transandrophobia, but i’m digging in my heels on that term. Yall won’t ever be happy with whatever other word we try to use, because the point is you want us to shut up and not talk about our oppression. I’m not going to waste my time hopping from term to term in an attempt to please yall and get you to take me seriously.
“transandrophobia is the belief that trans women oppress trans men—” NO IT’S THE BELIEF THAT CIS PEOPLE OPPRESS US. WE ARE OPPRESSED BY CISGENDERED PEOPLE. WE ARE TARGETED BY CIS MEN AND CIS WOMEN. LITERALLY WHAT ARE YOU NOT GETTING. WHAT’S NOT CLICKING. YOU ARE A TERF TRYING TO DIVIDE US AND YOU WILL NEVER WIN.
Yep! That's because it's not an actual argument or discussion. It's people trying to silence trans men and anyone who defends them.
From what I've seen, some of these people also believe that trans men are simultaneously "late transition, indistinguishable from cis men and immune to misogyny" and "Basically cis girls with D-Cups, hiding behind their femininity, and a week from detransitioning into a terf" There's so many contradictions in anti-transmasc viewpoints, it's a wonder that anyone falls for them. It's all disgustingly misogynistic and transphobic, and reeks of truscum and terf logic. I'll say what I always say, don't argue with them. Just block and move on. Most trans people ain't like that.
Daily reminder that :
-Validating a trans person's manhood only when you want to exclude them from certain communities is not being a trans ally.
-Validating a trans person's manhood only when you want to make them seen inherently predatory towards women is not being a trans ally.
-Validating a trans person's manhood only when you want to make comments such as ''eww...why would you want to be a man...?'' or ''k!ll all men,including trans men'' is not being a trans ally.
-Validating a trans person's manhood only when you want to talk about how they inherently have ''male privileges'' over women is not being a trans ally.
-Validating a trans person's manhood only when you want to exclude them from conversations about misogyny or reproductive rights is not being a trans ally.
btw the default state of trans men is not dead.
the default state of trans men is alive.
if they are not alive there is a problem.
if their deaths are not being recorded that is a problem.
if you use the fact that their deaths aren't recorded to imply they aren't dying you are a piece of shit.
i cannot believe that in 2025
there are people on bluesky who proudly put on their profiles being "baeddel" like, that shit didn't work here in the 2010s tumblr (where it originated), so why the fuck are you trying to make it come back, lmao
actually i wouldn't be surprised if this-certain-group of trans ppl on bluesky are actually all baeddels but just not saying it out loud.
seeing them all still talking about "cissexual" privilege when refering to other TRANS ppl, the classic "you are trans but NOT REALLY trans like me", im just gonna say, be careful with this kind of thinking.
for context:
no, being "baeddel" is not good AT ALL. please, don't let anyone tell you otherwise bc, holy fuck, just read the whole thing and be wary. it's pretty much TERF rethoric, only trans version (also known as TIRF), lmao
i found out about this whole "baeddel" around the end of last year, and it was like "woah what the fuck??????" i had no idea this kind of shit happened. please, read it in full 😩😩
(edit: an updated version of this article is also here on tumblr!!)
I'm just gonna say it: people using the term "transandrobros" gives me the exact same vibe as people saying "feminazis".
Whenever I see people talking about trans men not being oppressed, I remember that video I saw a few years back when an older trans woman was asked why there weren't more trans men from her generation and she said they were still forced into the roles of women and took their own lives because of it.
Name a better couple than transphobic trans people/misgendering anybody they don't like, I'll wait
My posts are all: "Hey, don't talk over trans men when they want to discuss their oppression!" "Nonbinary people aren't being treated very well right now, and we're being erased by the rest of the community." "Trans men and trans women aren't enemies." "Care about identities that aren't your own, include other trans people in your advocacy."
Which is apparently a grave enough offense to misgender me and compare me to a nazi, go figures.
It goes to show that some people are really transphobic before they transition, and they refuse to address this after their egg cracks.
Please stop forgetting nonbinary people!
Theyfab isn't a transmasc-specific slur. It's always been used against any nonbinary person assumed to be AFAB.
Though the AGAB of nonbinary people is nobody's business in the first place, it bears repeating that not every AFAB nonbinary person is transmasculine, just as not every AMAB nonbinary person is transfeminine.
These bigots aren't just transphobic towards trans men/mascs, they're exorsexist as well. We'll be stronger if we stick up for each other and push back against them together!
Edit: Just to make it clear, theyfab is being used against transmascs as well! I just want people to also acknowledge the non-transmasc nonbinary people being hurt.
So much pointless LGBT+ discourse could be avoided if people just stopped assuming they knew everything about the oppression OTHER identities face.
For example, if you’re nonbinary, you can absolutely talk about the struggles you’ve dealt with as a nonbinary person, and speak of the issues your community is dealing with. But if you’re not transfem, it’s not your place to comment on how transfem issues compare to your own.
And if you’re a trans woman, you should absolutely not be talking about how trans men “have it easier” or what transitioning is like for them, because you fundamentally don’t know! You’re not a trans man!
And it goes both ways- trans men shouldn’t speak on trans women’s issues! Binary trans people shouldn’t claim to know what it’s like to be nonbinary!
It even hearkens back to older varieties of discourse, like ace discourse. You saw non-ace people talking about what THEY thought being ace was like, because they believed that being LGBT+ themselves made them the arbiters of oppression.
Or hell, gay men claiming that lesbians had it sooo easy compared to what they went through! Like, man, how the hell would you know, you're not a lesbian!
Just. Stop! Stop talking about the assumed experiences of other people! Being one flavor of queer doesn’t mean you’re the expert on ALL queer oppression! LISTEN to other people, stop talking over them!
I think if people accepted this, 90% of stupid online identity discourse would vanish overnight.
I think maybe the trans community would benefit from not just internalizing "trans men are men" but also "trans men are trans". Some of you really haven't unlearned basic transphobia and you think it's okay cuz we're men.
I keep meeting transfem(me)s IRL who genuinely believe that transmasc erasure is a real problem and that we transmascs have it just as bad as they do. Today I spoke to a gal who actually thought transmascs have it worse. I responded to her that I believe everyone in the trans community shares a deep pain, beyond quantifying, that there's not really a hierarchy to our pain. There are so many amazing women out in the world who get it, who cherish and love us and feel our pain with us, just as we (transmascs) cherish and love them and feel their pain with them.
The haters and the division-mongers are the outlier. They're just louder in online spaces. Hate and division will always lose. Love and unity is the way forward.
“Transandrodorks all believe trans women oppress trans men and think that misandry and reverse racism is real!”
Source? Can you point to one person who is saying this? Cause I've never actually met someone who believed that. "I’m not wading through the tag, find them yourself!"
Ok, so how about I link you to a bunch of posts where actual trans men talk about their experiences with oppression and how they define transandrophobia? Also, notice how none of them mention trans women oppressing them. “I’m not reading that because it's too long and doesn’t suit my arguments.”
Every Fucking Time.
Don't waste your energy on these morons. if someone isn't willing to listen, don't try to argue or provide examples. Block them and move on.
They're not going to change their personal definition of transandrophobia, because the real definition doesn't match their negative perception of other trans people. Just keep using it correctly and ignore them.
It’s funny to me that people use “TMRA” as a negative descriptor. Like I get it, they're comparing an oppressed group of people to MRAs, cause they're fucking clowns.
But it goes to show they think any sort of advocacy that centers trans men is a bad thing. They refuse to see them as trans, just men. Pretending that the "man" part overrides the "trans" part of the identity makes them feel better about their own bullying. And if they paint anyone who defends them as a "men's rights activist", they can dismiss their concerns without ever addressing their arguments.
I advocate for the rights of TRANS men alongside the rights of trans women and nonbinary people! Because, as it turns out, ALL trans people are oppressed, and trans men aren’t the exception! I place just as much importance on their struggles as I do on my own.
What kind of person would think that’s a bad thing?
Oh, right. Transphobes.
I am going to commit acts of wrath if i see one more person say "trans men/transmasculinity is not under attack"
THEY EXPLICITLY SAY THAT THEY NOW DEFINE TRANS MEN AS "biological women" IN THAT SHITTY UK COURT RULING
THEY ARE INCLUDING US BY FUCKING NAME IN THEIR HATRED
"why are trans men not targeted?" THEY ARE
THEY FUCKING ARE TARGETED
YOU THINK THAT BEING DEFINED AS A "biological woman" IS NOT HARMFUL FOR TRANS MEN
THATS WHY YOU THINK ITS NOT AN ISSUE
BC YOU THINK THAT TRANS MEN GETTING DEFINED OUT OF EXISTANCE BY CALLING THEM "biological women" IS NOT A PROBLEM
It definitely shouldn’t escape anyone’s notice that the majority of “transandrophobia isn’t real and tme/tma language is good actually” people are white. Like there is very much something to be said about a complete lack of awareness of non-white queer people existing, whether they acknowledge it or not. I know full well that everyone posting “trans men are just whiny little uwu soft babies complaining about nothing” are imagining a monolith of trans men/mascs who are all white and will not acknowledge the intersections of oppression that trans moc face. “All trans men have power over cis and trans women” even when the women in question are white. When asked about transphobia facing trans poc, they will mention maybe one or two black trans women they’re able to name to make themselves look like they care about black issues and never mention a single other trans person of colour. Quick, average white tumblr user, name a single black trans man. Name a single black trans male or non-binary artist right now.
I'm so sick of this.
I see a post, and think "Oh hey this person has really good takes on transmisogyny!"
And then I go to follow their blog and it’s full of rancid shit about trans men and nonbinary people they all assume to be AFAB.
I hate that this is happening more often lately. It’s not hard to advocate for trans women without tearing other minorities down.
oh and also, trans women/fems should NOT be coining terms to describe the oppression that primarily trans men/mascs face. that is so incredibly fucking scummy on so many levels.
imagine i go "hm. actually, 'transmisogyny' is Bad and I Don't Like It so im going to decide on the word you should be using for yourselves because yall arent capable of meaningfully coming up with a word to describe your own oppression. i think 'transobjectification' is a better word for you all to use so stop using transmisogyny to describe your experiences now, thanks : ) "
that would be BEYOND disrespectful, it would be so extremely transmisogynistic of me to do that, so why is your coining of "transemasculation" not seen as RIGHTFULLY and DISGUSTINGLY transandrophobic.
AND THATS NOT EVEN MENTIONING HOW TRANS MEN/MASCS HAVE COINED SEVERAL TERMS TO TRY AND DISCUSS OUR OPPRESSION LIKE 'ISOMISOGYNY', 'TRANSMISANDRY', 'TRANSMASCPHOBIA', 'ANTI-TRANSMASCULINITY'. AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN MET WITH THE SAME FUCKING RESPONSE. AT SOME POINT YOURE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO COME OUT AND SAY THAT YOU JUST DONT WANT US TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR OWN OPPRESSION AT ALL AND QUIT PLAYING THESE SHITTY SEMANTICS GAMES.
Tumblr really be like "Wow, it was fucked up that we spent years shitting on asexuals and bisexuals and non-binary people for having completely innocent and harmless traits. It turns out we had it all wrong, and we shouldn't have treated them like pariahs. Isn't that crazy how that happened? Anyways, I fucking hate transgender men and bisexual lesbians and plural systems and I think they should all shut up and stop whining about their supposed 'oppression'. I am very smart and woke."
I think at the end of the day, my opinion on all flavors of LGBT+ label discourse will always be: “If you do not belong to a community, you do not get to decide what words that community gets to coin and use.”
If you’re not ace, you shouldn't tell ace people they’re not allowed to use aspec or aphobia.
If you’re not intersex, you shouldn't tell intersex people they’re not allowed to use intersexism or CAGAB.
If you're not a trans woman, you shouldn't tell trans women they can't use the word transmisogyny.
If you’re not a trans man or transmasc, you’re not allowed to tell them they can’t use transandrophobia. And you certainly can’t redefine the word to suit your arguments against it.
Hell, even if you are a part of a community, you don’t get to decide what words OTHER PEOPLE can use.
I’m agender. I don’t like it when people refer to me as an “enby” bc I’m not a huge fan of the word, but it’s not my place to tell other nonbinary people they’re not allowed to use it just because I personally dislike it.
You’d have to be a grade-a asshole to think otherwise.