honest question... was there really nothing spinner could've done to save Shigaraki? i really dunno what Hori thought by one more step.
i guess hypothetically if spinner had tried to take shigaraki and run and then get murdered because he's on an actual island with some scary motherfuckers. then at least his effort could have meant something to shigaraki and help him fight AFO's control sooner? or something?
here's the thing, for me. a) the story doesn't really suggest another path that spinner could have taken that he denied, to make his failure something concrete. difficult to run away, again he's on an actual island. the guy he wants to save is the one being possessed so can't really take him anywhere, he'll just be possessed about it. can't go to the heroes cuz the heroes suck ass. at most he could have refused the extra quirks from AFO to remain under his own power, but then horikoshi would have had a harder time figuring out how to get spinner to kurogiri because he really needs characters to be strong enough to smash things aside in order to get to the next plot point.
and b) i can't imagine a scenario where spinner tries something and survives it. and frankly the story has taught me to recognize that acts of heroism, goodness, and kindness only matter if you survive them. kouta's parents die heroically against muscular and he's traumatized for it, but is fixed when deku fights muscular and survives it. nana's regret isn't abandoning her kid, but dying to AFO - deku of course survives his encounters with the guy. deku's ultimate heroic act is him psychically holding tenko's hands before he can decay his family in the fake made up world of his mind of memories that cannot be meaningfully changed cuz the family murder already happened, and nevermind that tenko's mom's first instinct was to run towards her child with her arms outstretched to try and save him, reassure him. but she was stupid enough to do that in real life and die for it! sucks to suck i guess.
let's be real. this whole thing was basically written in to make deku seem ultra good, despite doing very little. i can't really take it as a meaningful reflection of spinner's failures.
not to get too fucking heated but the way even the narrative tries to make twice and his valuable relationships All About Hawks, the way it continues to emphasize how hawks had some positive feelings toward twice (and therefore that makes hawks complicated??), the way it keeps trying to sell the idea that these characters were significant to each other beyond how one manipulated and killed the other on behalf of law enforcement, and how every single hawks stan capitalizes off of this—
it annoys me so fucking much -_- i genuinely hate this character and i hate anyone who finds depth to this shit or acts like this is somehow makes good narrative use of twice.
[Image: the ‘wow cool robot’ meme showing a badly drawn head staring at something. The man is labelled Hawks and he’s staring at Twice. Hawks is saying “Wow! Twice likes helping people! I should help the most powerful man in the country after he is accused of domestic abuse!” while Twice’s point “Society formed me into crime at a young age due to being poor and I am helping the people who were willing to help me despite this, the fellow outcasts who were let down by the system, take that society down” flies over his head. End description.]
so I read the 299 scanlation
Hmmm I just wanna put it out there that
Who cares if you’re ‘inherently evil’ (which is a concept I don’t believe) or more likely, might have a predisposition to antisocial tendencies? You can still change. You can still modify your behavior. It’s never too late to do better. Sure, maybe there’s stuff you can’t fix, but you can still do better.
ok ummm sorry but why are people talking suddenly like irl domestic violence victims get any sort of widespread sympathy or support??? like, for one, let’s just establish that it’s silly to complain that real, living, breathing people are being treated with more sympathy than a fictional character. but even that alone would also be completely wrong, because… rl victims are not treated well at all??? did we just forget all the victim-blaming, the slander, the cross-examining, the doubt, and the legal institutions that are weaponized against rl victims all the time???
if you somehow see someone condemning rl abuse but dismissing fictional abuse, it’s because they only care about rl abuse in the broadest and most conceptual sense. rl abuse is hated as a contextless idea, or when it’s committed by someone the person doing the condemning doesn’t care about, like some dude they’ve never talked to or some celebrity they have no personal attachment towards. condemnation of, like, weinstein, who most people do not know anything about nor care about, is not the same as popular support for victims as a whole. compare the reactions to weinstein vs reactions to johnny depp or even (god) joe biden. the difference is entirely in how much attachment people have to these abusers.
a character like endeavor makes people trot out an entire circus’ worth of excuses not because these people actually care about irl abuse as opposed to fictional abuse, but because the narrative gives endeavor a way of playing on people’s heartstrings and allowing them to nurture an attachment to him, which they will then vigorously defend even at the expense of his victims. they do this as well with rl abusers who they particularly like or have some sort of connection to. it’s not that ppl’s condemnations of abuse are either existent or non-existent—it’s that they’re frequently circumstantial.
please, let’s be finished with the insinuations that rl victims receive care and support or even, like, lip service that isn’t getting extended to fictional characters.
Whomp whomp Izuku stans
"He's only a teenager. How was a teenager supposed to save a batshit villain" wrong. Izuku is a hero. I am so sick of this "he's only a child:(((" no. He's a hero.
If Tomura can only be a villain then Izuku can only be a hero.
And he is hero who failed (like all heroes failed and continue to fail). Did he fail because he's a teenager who shouldn't have been in a situation like this in the first place? Hell yeah. But he has never stopped to even consider that bc hero cool hero great.