We Need To Turn Bill Cipher Into A Tumblr Sillyman The Way We’re Doing With Spamton. Enough With The

bill cipher is the character ever. he swears in cartoon sound effects. he has beef with a baby. he didn't know what colors were until he was like at least 27. he's the most powerful being to ever visit earth. he only exists in dreams. he's an alcoholic. he's a victorian. he almost certainly worked retail. he doesn't know about his own gender. he also doesn't care about his own gender. he's depressed. he likes silly straws. he knows everything. he's stupid as shit. he thinks that normal is just a setting on a washing machine. he's touchy about his sides being uneven. he's a flatland oc. he's owned by disney. he responds to "willy." he thinks in all caps. he has a reddit account

In some of the neutral endings, Sans has been shown to have told Papyrus that his friends simply "went on a vacation" when they've been killed by you/frisk because he doesn't have the heart to tell him what really happened, like how he omits the truth of what happened to papyrus to Toriel in order to preserve the "perfect little angel" image she has of Frisk

Papyrus "accepts" that in his presence but the second he's not in the room, he drops his cheery and naive facade to tell you how he really feels

So if anything, they're both protecting eachother from less than savory truths, but yeah, he has some streaks of lying

you're RIGHT thank you anon. i forgot about those endings entirely. those are a good bit of characterization to keep in mind in any conversation about sans and lying. thank you! let's think about this...

personally, in my characterizations of sans, i've always interpreted sans's "vacation" excuse as part of his nihilism--if you know you're stuck in a time loop, and you know you've reached the "end" of the time loop, then everyone who died is actually about to come back. Combined with some pretty heavy depression, you might think of everyone who died as just getting to skip out on the sad epilogue. especially since sans doesn't die in literally any epilogue*, I've always thought of that as less protective and more...conflict avoidant? cracks in the facade?

like, at the end of the loop, his actions no longer matter. the human is not in the underground, and they're the one with all the power. outside of that phone call, he has no further effect on them and therefore the world in general, outside of his relatively small circle. so i think the things said about sans in those phone calls reveal a different side of him. after all, no one will remember this soon, so he doesn't have to keep up the "i'm a normal guy who only knows about regular linear time and therefore believes in a future" thing. so...yeah. permanence isn't permanent. everyone is on vacation. they all get to take a little dirt nap and he's just waiting for them to come back. why break toriel's heart when this is all going to end halfway through that conversation? I think it's less about lying to deceive (after all, Toriel and Papyrus are both perfectly capable of finding the truth), and more about the interesting shapes sans twists his understanding of reality into in order to understand that people are dead without taking the time to process that grief. He's mostly telling himself that people are on vacation. They're fine, maybe even lucky, and they'll come back soon so he doesn't have to worry about it. that's what allows him to function and even help rule** in bad endings, and how he's able to avoid totally breaking down after papyrus's death in those runs. no one is dead. they're just resting.

That said, he does say that to Papyrus knowing that it's literally, factually not true. He super does lie either to impart his horrible coping skills or to avoid having a conversation he doesn't like. It's also a really bad sign for his relationship with reality that he's just saying this with no regard for how insane he sounds. And, given how he does step up to rule in the King Papyrus ending...maybe he doesn't assume a reset is coming and I'm wrong about all of that. But my interpretation is that "everyone is on vacation actually" and "haha nah my brother is fine he's just...not around...ever..." are both so transparent that they can't be genuine attempts to deceive. Frankly, Sans is just a better liar than that.

So...tl;dr: Sans does lie! I was wrong about that. but I think he lies to protect himself more than anyone else. I don't really see it as something so...altruistic? controlling? condescending?? as lying for Papyrus and Toriel's sake. he just can't handle confronting reality, and god forbid he have a conversation about it.

*Sans may or may not die in the no mercy but in any case the world ends like 3 minutes after that so...not much of an "epilogue" to live in. he survives basically as long as the timeline does.

**In the King Papyrus ending, Sans does "paperwork" and dictates policy decisions such as how humans will be judged (which, his policy there is interesting in and of itself). Papyrus says Sans is "working hard." My takeaway from this is that Sans is doing most of the logistical ruling, while Papyrus works on the absolute disaster of morale. Unclear whether Sans has a role in Alphys's ending. He seems to drift towards whoever is closest to him of the survivors, and help them with whatever they need.

I love this storyboard Bill 😭

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Thinks about Alex Hirsch calling Bill Cipher "kind of a spoiled brat" because he experienced a lot of little frustrations in his lifetime that piled up. Thinks about how this likely means Bill feels entitled to do whatever he wants no matter what because he grew up in a restrictive world. Thinks about how Bill thinks morality is limiting. Thinks about how Bill always hurts people and even takes enjoyment out of it. Thinks about the two lines in "It's Gonna Get Weird" suggesting he doesn't really consider himself 'evil'. Thinks about him framing both the destruction of his dimension and Weirdmageddon in a positive light a few times.

He doesn't care that he does awful things and despite all his apparent means-to-an-end mindset he still probably knows he's wrong deep down because burning his dimension is something that hurt him and he still regrets but he's so caught up in his own justifications and anger do you get it

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okay I gotta share my thoughts on this because you brought it up in the tags re: running the risk of Bill's background coming across ass "oppressed person goes too far and is the real bad guy" because tbh I think it's a risk you can run into wether or not you hc Bill as irregular considering triangles weren't dealt the best cards either and there's something to think about how Bill doesn't care about norms while having grown up in the dystopia that is Flatland. Anyway, my point is I do mostly see the implications that come with him being from Flatland as a parallel to Ford who himself was ostricized and personally do also see the emphasis on Bill being selfish. Like I think about how Ford never really stopped caring about other people while Bill burned down his whole world INCLUDING people who were in similarly bad places in life as him anyway yeah I'm normal about him

YES YES YES you get it you get it like, no matter what, bill as a flatlander is gonna run into the trope where it's like "well i agreed that this oppressed person should have rights, but then he started shooting puppies :/" just because the canon end to "bill is a flatlander" is "bill killed every other flatlander except kryptos because kryptos is his silly rabbit including ones who would have undoubtably been so much worse off than him." the most privileged he could have been is a perfectly regular equilateral from a "good family line" who owned some sort of business and that's still part of the acute rabble, and there's no textual evidence that he was even that well off (there's also not any textual evidence he wasn't, to be clear, but it's up in the air. hell, some people even hc him as isosceles, and while i don't, because i think his salesman persona being something he got from his life in flatland and still falls back on is SO juicy, it's still possible! as long as it's in the realm of "was a triangle," SO much about bill's flatland life is up for grabs! the only thing that's solid is he was, at least, near the bottom of the foodchain) anyway i just personally think mildly irregular "repaired" bill who was just "acceptable" enough to make it to adulthood and even be tentatively allowed a (very monitored, very scrutinized) sales career, but still considered a societal Freak fits with a lot of bill's whole deal and fills in a lot of gaps about his relationship with his family, his relationship with his home dimension, and gives a good insight into why flatland brainwashing wouldn't have worked on him, because it's very hard to find any value in a system that automatically sees you as a disposable thing as opposed to a person also "mild" birth defect that shapes and defines every aspect of your life, like... ford parallels (and to a lesser extent, dipper parallels,) are fun! but YES no matter what you headcanon bill's life in flatland as being like, the end result still boils down to him being wildly childish and selfish. while he runs into the trope by virtue of his social standing no matter what, i think he skirts it at least a little just because he is not the type to care about others, and he clearly doesn't care about any real societal change. he's a nuanced selfish bastard, sure, but a selfish bastard bill and ford are both weird little societal freaks, but despite what the world threw at ford, he never stopped caring about others, even at his worst. bill on the other hand, at what could have been his best, (at whatever turned him into a god with more power than any flatlander had ever had,) killed everyone he'd ever known and even those he didn't. ford got a taste of insane power and, once he was lucid enough to realize the implications of it, was terrified of the way it could hurt others. bill got a taste of insane power and burned a damaged world into a crisp instead of doing literally anything else anyway yeah i'm also really normal about bill

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It's so embarrassing to talk about how Bill Cipher Is A Tragic Villain Actually because this is the idiot I'm talking about: