As a marketing strategy I get why Aldera would do all the moves to get Bakugou at U.A, since one can imagine for them having as future reference "Pro Hero Bakugou Katsuki graduated from our prestigious school". Is more of a greedy spin rather than just them having a racist (quirkist?) agenda, which I find more believable.
Good for Izu to get justice. They should also close the school and use the building to open a center that helps the victims of bullying and other more real social issues.
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Oh you're adding the creep factor into the mix?
Hear me out: what about Aizawa being in this too?
Because you know, his preferential trait for Shinso over other students could easily be twisted into something really sick if you want. As you probably know Shinzawa is a really popular ship for both characters.
What if Aizawa was having sexual encounters with Shinso? But of course that totally didn't have anything to do with the mysterious "ascension" of Shinso into the hero course (and expulsion of some random folk for allow that place being free) despite his notorious low performance and he already being put in general studies.
I imagine Izu using his resources of hacking and contacts (would be fun if she hires Mineta to spy on Aizawa using his talents) to get her a lot of tapes that incriminate Aizawa as a pedo. Since yes, Shota obviously would be dumb enough to record himself having sex with Shinso.
Hell you can even add Bakugou into that creep act, as BakuZawa is also very popular. Imagine this fun yet twisted scenario were Shinso turns against Aizawa because he thought he was the only "special boy" of Shota.
Yet I imagine Shota wouldn't be charged for the worst part of this. For his ex students becoming villains he will face justice and Nezu probably would try to use his influence to get him free of charges, but in private Izu threats Aizawa to expose his sexual tapes to the press if he doesn't declare himself responsible and also reveals a lot of shit that happens in U.A under that fachade of perfection.
Aizawa totally defeated accepts and he goes a time to jail, but pretty tame compared to what he actually deserves. Obviously his heroic and teacher career are ruined for life anyway, and Nezu would use his influence for ensure Shota never goes behind a desk again just as a revenge for expuse the true face of the U.A
You decide if that's enough punishment for him.
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I wouldn't discard Mirio getting totally brainwashed into what Nighteye expects from him, so his weirdo acts don't bother him at all and he probably would defend his master.
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Cider quirks having the unintended side effect of getting everyone with a wet shirt is a happy mistake lol.
I guess at first their atraction would be purely physical, that's normal, but when they start to meet each other they discovered all the things they actually like from the other.
On the seltzer bunny 🐰 fic I finally have an outline for the first chapter. And yes, Cinder does make an appearance. Ok my idea is basically Izumi makes Aldera her first target.
It doesn't make a big target if you see with western eyes but in Japan, teachers are respected so...Izumi showing how aldera is corrupt is a big deal, many eyes are on her and aldera.
Izumi's crimes:
Breaking in
Invasion of propriety
Identity thief
Hacking
But she exposes Aldera as it is. She ruins their lives as they ruined hers and the others. No Redestro is used nor they are anti QUIRKLESS...here they are willing to sacrifice everyone for BK (and BK is ranking bellow Mineta) and didn't spare a second (hm, this au is set UA is a colleague and they DO use the image of the students to create polls and whatnot.
You read that right ...Bk ranks bellow Mineta.
The first thing in this chapter is how Izumi is walking among the rain. She is wet and I do like this small nudge to the talks we had about what would tease Cinder...Izumi will say the phrase "I'm wet" a lot.
As for Cinder...he hears about the Usagi(means bunny) and is curious...he is not sure if she is real or if the Aldera's staff is making things up. Their crimes do make others educators frown at them...their careers are over and so is Aldera. A new school will born.
Cinder is not a fan of corrupt schools and finds aldera really stupid but if this bunny is real...that's interesting.
Cinder: if we are to meet, we will.
(I love put those lil moments here and there. Hints to the couple. Again, she says "I'm wet a lot" and is not an innuendo until it is)
Izumi is planning her next move. Nighteye. Everyone is motivated by revenge in the team. I label them "team found family revenge" lol
Congrats for the progress with your story! I want to read it as soon you publish the chapters, so let me know when that happens.
I'm aware of how Japan culturally holds a lot more respect and give importance to education than the west. Ngl I kinda admire them for that, for story porpuse I get what you try to make.
And since you're ruining the lifes of bad teachers do you have some plans for Aizawa next? I think you didn't like him that much either.
Lol isn't weird at all that Mineta should classify better than BK, as after all besides the stalker stuff and such Mineta is capable of having human decency and interact with other people normally. He also smarter according to canon and his worst tendencies became pretty tame later on.
The "I'm wet" is going to take a new meaning later lol. But I'm here for the slowburn so this sounds interesting.
So you dislike Nighteye? Yeah he's not a very likeable character tbh.
I have a headcanon of Izuku being more muscular than Shindo, I have one where he carried Yo without any difficulty (Without using One for All) and this left Yo surprised and even embarrassed, Izuku laughs at the scene and kisses Yo on the cheek. What do you think of this headcanon?
Even looking at their canon body types Midoriya seems to be more bulky in terms of muscles, while Shindo is more tall and slim.
Besides Shindo doesn't really specializes in raw force, so it makes sense for him to not be as physically strong as Midoriya even not taking the active OFA strenght in consideration (even if I think there's a a passive factor on it).
But yeah I really love the idea of Midoriya being the one who constantly carries Shindo bride style like he did two times in canon, but Yo probably loves it rather to being embarassed.
I bet he finds the strenght of Izuku to be really atractive and doesn't care about being carried over, perhaps he even likes the little power play.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, NINE!! You insane quirk experiment(affectionate).
Your ask really inspired me to think on a different au. A parallel and relationship between Izu (boy or girl. I tend go with girl bc I love Fem Izu) and Toya.
Let me explain the idea.
Toya IS from a big rich family, has money and fame. Lots of fame. Ofc his dream to be a hero stems in being daddy's good boy/throphy and nothing else. He is a kid and is selfish.
His father is the #2 of all Japan and that IS a big deal. Endy is not happy bc he wants the #1 even if he has all the perks AM has (or more as AM doesn't have a family)
Then enters Izu. He is the son/daughter (will go as daughter) of the disgraced hero Inko. Maybe Inko committed a mistake and let a big villain escape or the hero work wasn't kind to her....either way, she retired earlier and has Izuchan. Izuchan wants to be a hero to clean her mother's name.
People never forget Inko's mistake. Not for a moment...and that took a toll on her. Izuchan wants to be a hero and fix it...so her mother can be in peace. Its selfless.
And well comes the clashing.
Toya has fame and money and while he can play the game...he also is tired if this life. His father wasn't pleased with Toya. Sure, thanks to gadgets he can use his fire...but Endy wants more....and thus Borns Shoto and now Shoto is Endy's pet project.
Toya gets disillusioned by the hero industry.
Then he sees Izuchan who...is genuine in her passion.
People wouldn't care for a nobody...but Toya does.
A genuine hero is what he was searching for.
On her end, Izumi got the attention of one of the most richest and famous heroes of all Japan. What she will do? Can she still be a hero?
(she has a quirk here, maybe a low level telekinesis. Yes. I'm giving her a quirk bc it makes sense...I don't think quirkless should be heroes at the same breath I do see how quirks don't make you invencible)
Its a contrast of ideas.
Izu wants to clean her mother's name
Toya wants to stain his father's name.
FUCK THIS IS MUCH BETTER. I love my mind sometimes.
(this does give me a vibe of Gojohime and I do like the ship)
In AUs where Midoriya has a quirk since born I like it be an average/decent form of pyrokinesis like he could probably have based on the quirks of his parents.
I guess Midoriya in this case would he on pair with Burnin in terms of overall performance, with the only difference he would spit the flames from the mouth first and being able to bend them once they're outside. It looks cool in my head at least.
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Since you're playing with the Gojo syndrome dynamic, how Shoto should be in this AU aside of being the dreamed offspring of Enji?
Because I'm kinda tired of the same vanilla personality for Shoto where he's just a clueless dummy because of no social interactions covered by an emo mask.
Rather than that I like to imagine a version of Shoto in which he got a god complex like Gojo, because technically his quirk is divine and all the power and fame carried by Endeavor's name (and also being part of the Himura clan) makes Shoto develop this mentallity of being the superior to everyone else. Perhaps at some point he would came to the conclusion he's way superior to his dad and doesn't need take advices from "just the number 2" anymore.
And to me it's fun to think on Shoto as the villain for Dabi and Midoriya, but rather than be a edgelord like canon Dabi, villain Shoto probably would copy the style and mannerisms of A.M as a way to mock both Enji and Midoriya because of their admiration/jaleosity for the guy.
Headcanons for YoDeku/DekuYo? How do they maintain their relationship, knowing that they are both in different schools?
Oh isn't easy to maintain a relationship when they live decently far from each other and assist to different schools, but that just make them put much more effort on make it work and appreciate more every bit of time they got to be together. Neither Midoriya or Shindo give up easily, so they will do their best until both are free of school and can work on the same agency or something.
So for the headcanon I have:
-I like the idea of them starting to know each other better during that training between U.A and Ketsubutsu that Ms.Joke proposed to Aizawa but finally never happened in canon despite he accepted (I wonder why Horikoshi cut that idea). Shindo give the proper thanks to Midoriya for save his life during the license program of course, something we didn't see.
-They would have a small battle in which Yo teases Izuku a lot, because Yo being Yo, and Izuku obviously will fall for that and he pays way too much attention to Shindo's costume which start getting distracting.
-Something isn't entirely my headcanon cause I see a lot of other YoDeku shippers do, is the idea of Shindo being the person who makes Midoriya start getting out of shell and feel more comfortable with himself. I love how YoDeku shippers unlike many others don't portray Midoriya a super shy and almost dumb person just to fit the "uke" stereotype, and instead Izuku can act like a normal teen around Yo and feel free to share his geek interest for example without being mocked for that.
-This one is indeed my own, and it's that in the canon timeline after the 2nd war when Midoriya is recovering in the hospital Yo rush to visit his bf (yes they're official at that point) and covers him in kisses, getting a good happy laugh from Izuku. Especially after Shindo starts kissing his cheek scars non stop.
-Yo also kiss the scar Izu have in the head and comments he totally loves Midoriya "new hairstyle". Izuku isn't totally convinced about this though, and while he doesn't say it louder he wonders if Yo is making fun of him for his hair.
-But then the day Izuku is leaving the hospital and is received by Shindo he gets shocked because... Yo shaved a side of his own head, the exact same Izuku got shaved.
-Shindo is all happy and joyful and he says "Did you think I was joking? Nah I totally love your look Zuku, and we still match ;)" (joke about them having the same hairstyle, and they will still match even post shave lol).
-Needless to say, Izuku almost pass out because how loved he felt for that.
-Btw Shindo uses "Zuku" as a cute bf nickname for Midoriya. Izuku meanwhile still tries to figure how call Shindo but he's not that good with nicknames, yet Yo makes clear that he loves when Izuku calls him "Yo-Kun".
-Another headcanon that is almost a cliche among YoDeku shippers is Yo using his vibration quirk to be the personal masajist of Izuku, who after so many damage to his muscles is going to need that sweet treatment more than ever. And of boy, he's blessed by that.
-But hey! Izuku can also uses his quirks for good and improve their relationship, cause (spicy bit ahead) Shindo really loves the power games and being restrained by Izuku using black whip when they got intimate, which belive me they do it everytime they can (they're really horny for each other).
-On time Midoriya also asked Shindo if he would like try using GearShift to go faster during sex. Yo loves experiment so obviously accepted, and the result was so good that it became obligatory everytime thay have sex.
-Eventually they also discovered the way to incorporate Fa-Jin and Float into the mix, with results beyond words lol.
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I have many other headcanons, but these are some of the ones I can remember right know.
YoIzu is one of my favorite ships ever and it has crazy potential, sadly bkdks hate Shindo and our ship.
But hey they will never have the pride of Izuku carrying Shindo bride style twice lol.
Even if we cap a lot with the idea of "Well uh... AFO covered a lot of what happened to the Shimuras" it's really hard to believe AFO could erase any trace of what happened to a rich family of Six who lived in a very populated zone and which house just freaking exploded one night.
Besides All Might wasn't supposed to look after Shigaraki after Kamino when he learns his identity as Tenko Shimura? He says that but never ever invested a single effort on try to learn more about the family of the woman he considered a mother.
Gran Torino also have 0 reaction to know this, despite he should at least have some feelings about the tragedy of Kotaro considering he died because Nana never allowed Torino or A.M to being close to him.
It would have been easy to add a single scene when A.M, Gran Torino and Tsukaguchi are digging up in police archives and they say something like "Yes... there was a strange incident with a family named Shimura many years ago, their remains were never found for some reason"
One thing that is now unfair to ask is...what is Nine's name? Look hori treated him as an afterthought but his lack of origins works better than the comical twnko's origins.
Yes his family was all killed thanks to him but ...I can't help to think that scene was too ridiculous.
We never saw anyone mentioned them again, not even shig. (He remembers them in MVA and we do see the disgusting human puppet hori flay around) But that's it.
So Nine...
Im not one of those people who think a new character needs to be related to a pre stabelished one. Nine doesn't need to be a Todoroki, Shimura or hell even a lost Midoriya (hahahahahahaha as if hori would care for this family)
But ....imagine if Nine was related to Oboro, somehow, wouldn't that be interesting?
Maybe, maybe not.
Oboro's character became a thing to turns Aizawa into a better character...and fails. Kuro was sacrificed for nothing.
The thing about Shigaraki/Tenko backstory is that it feels... a bit overdramatic?
Well we can say that about his whole character, but the part of his backstory in particular when he kills his family is so exagerated for the sake of shock value that it kinda feels comical.
Horikoshi tried a bit too hard on make MVA feel like the edgier and "different" arc of the series, but the contrast in so big that I can't take it seriously.
Especially when Hori already nailed a dark tone without being super explicit or over the top.
Take the simplicity of Eri's backstory for example:
No blood, no unnecessary violence, just two panels giving a basic idea of what happened to Eri's father and yet the image of those clothes lying on the floor is much more haunting and eerie than the enterity of Shigaraki backstory.
Why Horikoshi stop being subtle with his storytelling?
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Anyway going back to Nine real name, or the lack of one, I think it's interesting how that aspect of his character adds to the underlying theme of how AFO and Garaki dehumanize people, especially the ones that are part of their experiments.
We know very well how AFO doesn't view other human being as persons but rather objects that belong to him. This starts with his very own twin brother, which name Yoichi means something like "my first possesion".
And just like Nine, number 6 from Vigilantes was a child which whole life was modeled by AFO. They both are just numbers without a real name.
In this case the idea is presented even more explicitly because Six was a child who suffered some kind of amnesia and couldn't even view himself as a normal human with a face.
He even died as a monster without ever know if he had an identity outside being the number 6.
It's funny how you mention the idea of Nine and Shirakumo being connected somehow, as isn't the first time I've hear that.
It's interesting notice how they share this common theme about sky and clouds as part of who they are (Nine's name also is supposedly a reference to the term "cloud nine") both Nine and Oboro are individuals willing to sacrifice their own lifes for others, and ironically both of them ended being experimented by Dr Garaki.
I even have the headcanon of Kurogiri being the "Number 7" in this line of experiments were Nine and Six belong, as sort of missing link between Six and the sentient nomus.
I probably should make a post later explaining better this idea.
And yes for Horikoshi, Shirakumo was just a diposable character to make Aizawa look cooler and more edgy.
While the author of Vigilantes clearly invested a lot of effort on making Oboro a real and memorable character which complements Aizawa rather than just being an accesory. But that topic deserves it's own post as well.
P.S: I have an idea of what real name we could give to Nine, but I keep it for me at least for the moment.
Call me crazy, but considering how manipulative Dabi showed he can be I wouldn't discard his whole Stain fanboy persona is just a performance.
I mean put that scene of him saying "I'll fulfill Stain will" in context: in that moment the recruits actually believed Stain was actively working with Shigaraki and the LOV was a group that would follow the ideals of Chizome.
That obviously wasn't the case, but Dabi probably make up the story just for fit in the organization and later after seeing not even Spinner (the biggest Stain fanboy) give a crap about the ideals of the hero killer, Dabi just dropped the act completely and acted more like himself.
Which isn't very different from his usual self. Let's be real when he actually put in practice any of Stain actual ideals or there was some sort of callback between both characters?
I think it's actually Fanon Dabi the version that always exaggerate his supposed Stain fanboy persona, generally in an attempt to make him more sympathetic and an antihero of sorts. Coincidentally most of this fanon material cames from the era when we didn't have much context of him and people still believed for some reason that Dabi could have been trying to help his family (for some reason).
Ah btw Dabi in the manga is still comically skinny and not really that different from his debut and many times he looks like he float inside his own clothes, but the anime for some reason makes him look super ripped despite it doesn't make any sense for his character.
I much prefer Dabi's body in the manga btw, not every guy needs to have a super bulky physique to be attactive.
Hi, I did a big mulling (lol) on the whole moral aspect of Dabi and his killings. Especially considering my own au.
Look let's not kid ourselves here. It would be impossible for Besties au or canon for dabi to be "pure" aka never kill anyone. Boy was on the streets after waking up from a coma in a creepy hospital.
"a good Samaritan in the villain side took him in" ok maybe but even this good Samaritan would still be a villain and Dabi wouldn't be save of killing. Even if is self defense.
The discourse I mentioned in my channel on....ironically called Discord was about how dabi killing bad peoples works better than killing innocent people. I get the fallacy of this logic. I get the appeal.
We see characters like Punisher and we root for him bc "he is killing bad people" which makes him good in comparison. I used to like that, who didn't? But consider this idea: One villain killed the anti-hero's wife. One, and the anti hero responds by going on a rampage.
"he is angry she is dead, it's grief" he still kills a lot of people and shows no remorse.
(nothing against Anti heroes characters per se. I do love Jason Todd even if I agree how DC mistreated him, I like Bucky. I can't like Punisher through)
The thing here is if Dabi only killed bad people how we would know if the people he killed were bad to warrant the death penalty?
"dabi only killed rapist and pedos" ok. How he would know if a person committed those crimes? Waiting for the person to shout to the world all the horrible things he did on this fine Tuesday?
(this all is making me think of a case of lynching in my country, a person was accused of committed a crime, a group of the small city wanted justice and ....went to make on their own hands....turns out the person was Innocent. They killed an innocent person)
Besides killing is killing. Even if Dabi has concrete proof the people he killed are EVIL. He still took a life, he is still unaffected about it (not saying if dabi kills a rapist he should weep, but you can't exactly be so blase about it)
(I even think if Dabi goes around killing only bad people, in this case, villains....wouldn't that make others villains wry of LoV for keeping dabi? If we have a hero killer. What if we have a villain killer?)
My point on this long ass thread is how in besties au dabi has killed, ofc he did, even if is for survival...and that sticks with him. He doesn't like killing. It weights on him.
"and Endy?" Yes. He wants to kill Dabi. He wants to destroy Endy and in besties he is doing a good job. He is proactive (unlike Mr. Possum)
But the killing weights on him.
Smth I don't think it does on the heroes who kill in canon. They are sure the villains they kill are evil (I mean, I get why) and no need to think twice, right hawks?
But it's odd seeing villain stans defending dabi killing any villain without remorse and try to justify "they are evil"
Well.....
If that was the case...all the LoV deserved their fates as they are terrorists who killed lots of people, wage a war and more.
Hi @mikeellee 👋
Agreed! There is no way within Canon that dabi has never killed anyone at all. Actually, we only see dabi physically kill people after he joins the league of villains, whether that be with failed lov recruits or heroes dabi has killed.
However, in chapter 290, dabi states that he has cannonically killed over 30 innocent people. Now, I have talked about this in the @sapphic-agent post, but the framing of that panel seems to be there to humanise enji while dehumanising dabi.
How does dabi know these people are innocent?
Why did he mention the fact that they were innocent? Why didn't he just say he killed thirty people?
All of this makes me think that dabi thinks that he accidentally killed the people in the hospital.
Ultimately, dabi would have realistically had to kill in self-defense. Imagine a young teenage boy obviously covered in major scaring, roaming the streets for scraps or anything to survive. That would be an easy target for people to use, rob, or do whatever they think of doing to him. Dabi would have had to quickly learn self-defense and how to survive on the street, and it shows that he did learn by his appearance.
The first time we see dabi in chapter 68, we see just how scrawny and skinny he is. He ends up gaining weight and muscle after joining the league, yet his first appearance definitely depicts him as malnourished and the increased burn scars definitely mean that he has been using his quirks ever since he was on the street for various reasons.
Dabi killing bad people or who he views as a bad person makes sense and is actually very in character for him. A dominant characteristic of dabi that fanon seems to undermine is that he is a huge Stain fanboy/follower. His first introduction, he announces that he plans to make the hero killers will a reality.
However, we do fall into the problem of dabi pushing his own moral views (which let's be real dabi has some very concerning views) that would be a problem. Or how does he know that this specific individual he is killing is a bad person? There's so much this is the same character who was shown to have some very misogynistic and victim blaming views, so that would be a rocky hill for him to go down on.
All of this could definitely be a great idea to explore and could easily dive deep into dabi's mentality and how that might change over the course of the series.
It is absolutely a great idea to make dabi killing weigh on him whether they're innocent or evil. Those are still people. They are still lives, they breathe, weep, form complex thoughts, bleed red etc they are people, they could be dabi and his body or the body of his loved ones could be next.
While Canon doesn't truly focus on it, it does highlight the fact that dabi does feel regret to a certain extent. Dabi is upset, and he knows, realises, and accepts that he is a bad person. It is exactly why he believes that he belongs in gell with his father. It is why all of his conversations with enji mention BOTH of them suffering and being in hell together for their sins.
There is an anime only scene with a hero cornering dabi asking him if he regrets killing and dabi doesn't respond directly, but we are shown a scene of a bloody tear falling from his face.
There is also a manga page where dabi remembers snatch and directly says that killing him drove him crazy thinking about it with a tear coming from his eye.
You forgot to add a very important reason of why Sukuna is more universally beloved by pretty much the entire JJK fandom, whereas in MHA there's no villain who really fits this criteria (at least no serious villains because you can't count Gentle in this lmao).
Anyway, this reason is simply that Sukuna narrative role is pretty much perfectly defined and almost never deviates from being an evil bastard without almost any redeeming feature. Unlike Shigaraki for example, who is more or less the 2nd more appreciated villain behind Dabi, and the narrative constantly goes back and forth between him being pure evil and a misundestood victim who need to be saved.
Sukuna as well most JJK villains are pretty straighfoward in terms of being villains without lack atributes that makes them complex characters, something that MHA certainly lacks as Horikoshi has a problem to give his villains a victim conplex while makes the comically evil at the same time.
And look I know both series have different narrative porpuses for their villains, but then again AFO is much more similar to JJK villains in most aspects. Yet like you said a big difference on why he's not as beloved as the rest of the villains on his own series is simply because Horikoshi constantly downplays him in favor of Shigaraki for example.
It surely doesn't help that AFO isn't conventionally attractive for most of the series while Shigaraki certainly is, despite some people can joke about his look the reality is that he's drawn as attractive and this is reflected on how readers react to him.
If AFO looked like this for most of the series I'm sure the opinions about him would be much more inclined to he positive:
Is a shame Horikoshi dropped the ball so hard with AFO.
I have the feeling that he regreted get rid of him back in Kamino and later struggled to justify his return and glory moments. At the same time he can't fully commit to make AFO way to perfect because HK is still obsessed with Shigaraki for some reason.
There's no room for both villains obviously, and the one that should've stayed is AFO.
If Horikoshi made AFO the definitive villain from the very beginning without switch between him and Shigaraki every 5 minutes, and if AFO was always attractive and with more "aura" moments he would be equally loved as Sukuna?
Well who knows really, but in my opinion all these factors surely could have affected a lot of the public perception.
Same applies to other villains like Overhaul, who are more loved than AFO despite being equally evil as him but sadly Kai didn't last too much either so he's not as popular as Shigaraki who gets constant attention.
Hello, do you mind if I ask your opinion on this :
What do you think that made a villain/antagonist characters are loved by many people? Like, why do you think Sukuna (JJK) is more loved by fans compared to AFO or even Shigaraki (BNHA)?
Also, why do you think Bakugou (BNHA) & Gojo (JJK) are so well loved by the fans of both series?
And, I've read somewhere that "......if Gojo and Bakugou's characters were female (with the same personality) then they will be hated by many..." Do you agree?
P.s
I know you're anti Bakugou, sorry if it's made you uncomfortable to talk about character you dislike, I just love to read your writings.
There are many reasons as to why villains/antagonists are loved by many people, but if I had to sum it up I think that :
Compared to the protagonists, because the antagonists are already demonised and usually called out by the narrative, people tend to find the little redeeming qualities that antagonists have and exemplify it by a 1000 X almost babying the villains while doing the exact opposite to the heroes because the narrative treats the heroes the opposite.
However, when talking about why some antagonists like sukuna are liked a lot more than other antagonists such as AFO, there are a variety of such as :
Characteristics they may have. Sukuna by the jjk fandom is interpreted as someone who is actually intimidating, can be a bit funny but ultimately gets down to business and is seen as an actual threat unlike AFO who just becomes and is written terribly that he doesn't particularly add any tension or emotion into the story
Their goals. Sukuna wants power. He wants to be on top, and he is described as a force of nature that can't be controlled. Yes, in some certain circumstances, he and AFO are similar, but sukuna is able to convey his goals, and the overall development of them from beginning to end is just better than AFO especially with how connected he ends up being g to the jujitsu world.
Their narrative treatment. The way the narrative treats both AFO and sukuna is complete different and it's the way the narrative treats sukuna that makes sukuna more enjoyable and a better character as he for example, is given many opportunities to show case his destructive and malicious behaviour compared to AFO. In the series, AFO is a lot more like a parasite harming many factors of the writing, but this is quite the opposite to sukuna.
Essentially, I think this is the best way to explain the differences in sukuna and AFO and why sukuna is a lot more enjoyable to people and overall better written.
However, I would also like to add that, in general, people like villains a lot more if the said villains are attractive, have a sense of charisma + charm to them, and if the villain ends up being powerful. These criteria end up being checked by sukuna, and AFO kinda fails to meet them, taking in the general fandoms opinion.
As to why characters like bakugo and Gojo are really popular, I think the reasons for that are:
Attractiveness. People find these characters really attractive, and if you have ever been in a fandom, then you know the lengths people will go to, to protect a character who is good-looking. People will overlook the characters' flaws and even valid criticism just because a character is hot. (Like beauty privilege for characters is so insane that you have people trying to defend/justify mei mei because she is pretty)
They're cool/they're badass. Ultimately, characters like bakugo and gojo are really cool. You see, a lot of people cheer them on because they think that this very powerful character is strong and they're someone who they kinda aspire to be as in that person is incredibly influential, they're strong, they're badass etc.
People think they're well written. Characters being well written is a subjective opinion personally I think gojo is a well written character but I don't think bakugo is a well written character. Ultimately, if a character is incredibly dynamic within the series they tend to change and get more moments that makes the audience connect with them.
Now with the statement below I kinda have mixed opinions on it.
Yes, misoginor in fandoms is a big problem that affects the interpretation of characters, and yes, it's been established that people tend to treat female characters a lot more harshly than male characters. Due to this, we got the whole you can't handle complex female characters trend. However, as time passes, I do like to believe that misoginor and racism in fandoms are problems that are becoming more recognised and that more and more people are starting to actually understand characters without being racist or misogynistic.
However, I understand that this is a very idealistic and optimistic view so I will say that if bakugo and gojo were to be female characters with the same personality you would probably have SOME people hate them due to misoginor.
But alas, I think that they wouldn't be as hated and would still be popular. I mean, in MHA, we literally have miriko, who is liked by many fans, and she, in my opinion, is very similar to bakugo.
(Gojo, on the other hand, might be a bit more complicated case)
Before ending this, I wanna say that there seems to be certain character flaws that people like or hate more if a character has them.
For example, there are certain character traits that make people hate characters no matter if they're protagonists or antagonsit or in between. These characteristics are :
Naivety
Ignorance
Hypocrisy
"Crybaby" characters
Cowards
I will say that these characteristics are things that people really hate in a character, and the fandom tends to hate characters that portray these characteristics at first. However, as you can see from the characters I have listed below, the fandom does slowly warm up to them after a while.
Essentially, I can understand why people may hate characters with these traits, especially when the world they're in is built to jarringly contrast the characteristics they have, making them seem annoying to the viewers. However, they are needed to add a huge layer of complexity to the series a lot of the time.
@bibibbon I was reading your post and thinking when you mentioned Mummy, and certainly is sad and disappointing that out of Nine's crew he was the one to get the short stick in terms of screentime and interactions with his own leader.
Such a cool looking villain with an awesome power shouldn't be treated like fooder.
But eh... I guess they really need give Bakugo an easy victory to show how badass he can be compared to the other loosers from the class.
Anyway, before getting absorbed by my hater side I can share my ideas about rewrite Mummy, because like his friends is fun write about him and fill the empty space left by the author.
Starting for his backstory:
This idea isn't entirely mine, but I love the concept of Mummy and Edgeshot being related.
Interesting to think because they share same birthdays, both their quirks have the aesthetic of red tape, they have grey hair and the names "Kamihara" and "Makihara" sound strangely similar.
I've seen people write them as twins, but I like more the idea of them having a big age gap in case of being brothers which fits more with Shinya being in his 30s in canon.
And so both Hoyo and Shinya being brothers born in a very traditional japanese family would make room for some family drama, as is more than probably that Shinya being the first born and with a quirk like foldabody would probably be seen as the pride of the family.
While Hoyo is seen as lesser and never able to live up to the level of his older brother, especially after Shinya got accepted at UA and started pay less attention to Hoyo.
While during his early childhood Hoyo only support was Shinya when he left the family state to focus on his studies Hoyo was alone with a family that never supported him and constantly remembered him how inferior he was.
Hoyo will reach a break point when his parents tried to get rid of him when he was entering on his teenage years, and he discovered they sold him to a mysterious organization that was looking for young low tier soldiers (which for some reason still happens in MHA world and nobody seem to care about it).
Note: This organizagion will be no other than the MLA but isn't really important for the story for now.
And so, without anything to lose since Shinya was long gone at that point, Hoyo escaped the family state and never came back. He also invented the false surname Makihara, as he didn't want anything to do with his family.
That would be the beginning of some rough years living in the streets for Hoyo.
Without proper studies (since he only got the basics at home instead of going to an actual school) and technically being a fugitive of his own family, Hoyo only could resort of stealing and other minor crimes for try to survive being homeless.
I imagine he also tried to gain some money doing dirty jobs for other criminals, which might be why we see him beating thugs in the street during the flashbacks.
That being said, this empty life style wasn't something Hoyo was happy about.
He still feel the necessity of prove himself and try to became something better, he was angry at the world and his family, and he also missed Shinya despite he didn't want to admit and prove his brother his worth.
Despite Hoyo's quirk still seemed to be quite useless as he couldn't do much with his puppets and give up at some point.
That was until he meet Nine...
My idea of how they meet is that Hoyo was hired to expulse Nine from the territory of a criminal gang that didn't like a homeless man like him was wandering in there.
Expecting just another quick job for a bit of cash Hoyo used his quirk with and old scarf to create a puppet out a vending machine, with he would use to intimidate the white haired man described by the gang.
Worse case scenario would be him having to beat the man in case he resists but isn't like he cared.
What Hoyo didn't expect is that when he meet the white haired man this one would have an aura of calm around him and rather than look intimidated by him or his puppet, he only got a glaze of interest coming from him.
"That... looks like a very powerful ability you got there" Nine commented very calmly looking at Hoyo like if he already knew everything from him.
Hoyo was a bit confused by the statement (and internally a bit intimidated by the way the white haired man seem look through him) but he only wanted to finish the job quickly as he was hungry and needed the money the gang offered.
So he tried to attack the white haired man with his puppet, but in the blink on an eye a small lightning bolt hit the puppet and make it explode.
Hoyo was pushed back by the explosion and the white haired man was still there with an unfazed expression.
"Not that powerful yet but..." Nine said looking at Hoyo "I can make it stronger" He said like it was a promise.
Nine then walk away and Hoyo tried to follow him without understand anything of what was happen, until they were almost in front of the gang hideout.
Hoyo observed how the white haired man rising one of his hands at the sky, and he didn't realize how suddlenly the dark clouds covered what until some moments was a very clear night.
A lightning bolt came from the sky and impacted the buildings Hoyo knew the gang used to hide, making the ground vibrate as they explode illuminating the night with the fire and the white haired man was stading there with the same bored expression as he that act of destruction was nothing for him.
Hoyo was totally speechless by that demonstration of power.
"I assume they won't represent a problem for you from now, I understand they wanted you to get me out of here so you don't have to worry for not get the job done" the white haired man said with the same calm Hoyo was used at that point.
For some reason it reminded him to someone else...
"Huh... and what do you want from me?" Hoyo replied rising his eyebrown tried to show more confidence that he actually felt "This kind of "favors" can't be for free"
"From you? Nothing..." Nine said plain and simple "Maybe offer you something, but first we should get out of here, he police and heroes can be annoying and they probably were alerted by my little spectacle" He said before walking out of the scene.
Hoyo didn't know why but he started walking behind the white haired man. There wasn't much to lose anyway...
"Are you hungry? Personally I am, so maybe we can get some food" Nine said after notice the young boy was following him.
Hoyo agreed on that, he really could get something to eat.
...
After all that happened Nine started to explain to Hoyo what his ideals and dream to change the world, a dream he really wanted to share with Hoyo for some reason.
Even if he didn't believe he meet the standards of power the white haired man claim to have, but Nine keep insisting on the potential of his quirk and how Hoyo was stronger than he realize and how wrong society was for overlook his true potential.
Not much time later Hoyo meet a friend of Nine, a really intimidating mutant who called himself Chimera and that name was fitting considering he was a mix of countless animals.
Hoyo found the guy to be quite charismatic and funny regardless of his loon however, and he was also very compromised to follow Nine's vision for the ideal world he evisioned.
And one day Nine also surprised Hoyo with a gift: a lot of red bandages that he notice were more resistant and powerful than anything he previously used to activate his quirk.
"Your power is greater than you think Hoyo, don't believe what the weakelings tried to make you think all your life. You can be better than them, you can fight for the world we deserve" Nine said in the most genuine way Hoyo ever heaf from someone.
And Hoyo really felt weak but also strong for equal reasons that moment, as never during his whole life he felt supported the way Nine made him to feel. Not his own blood family, not even Shinya, but this man who only wanted to give him and Chimera a better world to live.
Hoyo knew that moment that his life and heart belong to Nine and his cause forever, he give him a real family and home without even expect anything from Hoyo other than fight together like a team.
It motivated Hoyo to push himself and his quirk over the boundaries, training endlessly with the help of Nine and Chimera, so what once was the ability of control a single puppet quickly became the power of create armies of puppet soldiers thanks to the gift Nine give to him.
He even discovered an inhate talent with the sword, a gift courtesy of Chimera by the way.
Hoyo was poweful indeed, just like his friends believed.
But he also wanted a new identity as well, as his born name no longer felt something that represented who he was.
Then Hoyo became Mummy, and he used the bandages gifted by his leader to cover his body.
He felt safe and powerful like that.
Mummy finally meet himself that moment and knew who he really was.
...
P.S:
-Despite I make Shinya look like a careless and selfish brother in the backstory, I actually think later when he found what his parents did to Hoyo he resents them and felt totally guilty for not being there for his little brother. Edgeshot look for Hoyo during years hoping to find him someday and be a family again, he also keep his parents out of his life after what they did to Hoyo.
-I don't mention Slice here because I think she was the last one to join the team some time later than Mummy.
-While their age difference isn't actually that big, I like the idea of Mummy considering Nine a big brother figure and somehow filling the empty space left by Shinya.
@mikeellee @kite2013
As you both notice, it's kind of funny how the interactions of Dr Garaki with both Nine and Shigaraki are such different in the way the scientist treats them (despite both are just lab rats in the end).
Because see how Garaki openly insults, disrespects and laughs of Shigaraki ideas in front of his supposed friends.
Garaki probably felt almost insulted for having to keep the game going just because AFO wants Shigaraki to have this illusion of free choice, when in reality he's just a kid which they still have in the palm of their hand.
Even after MVA when Garaki shows a bit more of tolerancy to Shigaraki for mantain the illusion, in the inside he still makes fun of him because obviously he's the only person to really know Shigaraki is just a vessel playing to be the super villain.
But then we have his interview with Nine...
Notice how the aptitude and demeanor of the doctor is completely the opposite of what we saw with Shigaraki.
Despite obviously he's offering Nine be part of a shady experiment, he acts strangely polite and even shows a bit of curiosity when Nine expose his motives to be part in the experiment.
But also, Garaki thinks Nine is a dangerous individual despite in theory he should be the one in control of the situation and unlike in Shigaraki's case, Nine is alone in front of the doctor.
The biggest difference on how Garaki view Nine and Shigaraki, is that in the first case he sees a real man with strong convictions and an indomitable will who could actually change the curse of the world if he's given the chance.
This is my headcanon, but I think Garaki saw in Nine's eyes the closet to AFO in spirit and convictions (and it's interesting how both of them have the same white/silver eyes, coincidende?).
But for Shigaraki?
He only sees a dumb kid who doesn't even understand the situation he's in. A more obvious puppet who can be used the way he likes.
Shigaraki never had any chance with Garaki.
Oh I forgot to mention, but it's also funny as hell how the doctor shows more respect to Dabi in their private conversations than he does with Shigaraki in the same situation.
This happens because just like Nine, Dabi was a dangerous person who can't be controled so easily by him. So at least it gives him a bit more of respect by the crazy doctor.
look at this adorable fan art my heart can’t take it ughhh twins w/ twins so cute!! 🥹