Just a heads up. This is a 33-page essay about Tenko’s flipping ability, a very niche topic, and a scene that only showed up once in the game. It has some good points, of course, but it is VERY LONG and in my opinion okay in quality.
But someone asked me for it and I promised I would post it if someone asked
So if you genuinely want to read it, you can read it Here 👈
I hope you enjoy it as much as you enjoyed my original post, and if not, I'm sorry.
my body type hcs for kaede, kaito, and maki! (also i made this during rainy season and i yearned for the beach)
bonus shuichi (bringing their stuff):
someone please tell me what their 4 person poly ship name is because this is driving me up the wall
Being an ultimate is a blessing untill it isn't.
Do you think people who aren't Ultimates would hate Maki because she hates her talent like yeah she was forced into it at a young age and doesn't like taking people's lives but would people sympathize with her I'm sure some would but others just because she's in a prestigious academy in a place where talents are supposed to be hailed and practiced would see her as 'ungrateful.'
Then if people found put how many people Ryoma and Kiyo killed would it ruin hopes Peak reputation or are they desensitized to having murders be Ultimates.
I also feel like it would be awkward for Shuichi and Kyoko both being detectives it would be like: "we're looking for these people." "yeah... those are my classmates." It's definitely a moral dilemma because they know for most of their friends/ classmates at least that they were forced into it or there was more context behind it but to everyone else it just seems like they're protecting 'dangerous criminals.'
On that same note are people concerned about the ultimate assassin and yakuza honing their skills and being released into the world.
I'm sure someone is praying on hopes peaks downfall pointing out every weird questionable or controversial thing an ultimate does just to be like: "see they don't deserve to be there."
I bet people are complaining all the time about which Ultimates get accepted. "Cosplayer come on man are we even trying anymore."
That line between adoration and resentment has to be so so thin.
At the end of the day being an ultimate is a double edged sword fame and fortune for the rest of your life but still held to the same regard as celebrities in which there will always be people who hate you and scrutinize you for everything you do.
To preface I am a Tenko fan but even if I wasn't I still wouldn't get it, because you would only come to that conclusion if you changed Tenko’s entire backstory and I don't understand why you would because it's not really gendered.
Tenko’s master could have taught a boy that he shouldn't hurt women because that's bad and only what 'degenerates' do without the specific extra warnings about men that a woman may get because they are more susceptible to being assaulted by a man, then could still take Tenko out into the streets to protect woman, and beat up predators.
Tenko would then act pretty much the exact same as in the game, protecting women and hating men who hurt women, he might just be a little less overbearing on his hatred towards men (unless his master still told him about how bad and horrible men are without making a separation between bad men and good men and he grew up with some self hatred.) It might be a bit unnerving for a guy to be like "men are always trying to prey on vulnerable women" but he wouldn't be a misogynist.
And I don't think Tenko would be an alpha male or nice guy stereotype because there would be nothing to influence that. People aren't born with ideals or beliefs and there is nothing in Tenko's backstory that would have caused that.
Do people think that just because Tenko dislikes men as a women she'll dislike women as a man?
Tenko's animosity wouldn't change based on gender it would just transfer over.
I know Tenko's master had an anti romance stance, and might tell him that interactions with women would weaken his neo aikido energy so that he wouldn't date them, but then on the other hand if there's so many sexual predators out that they can just go out and find them multiple nights he would have to teach Tenko something about bad men and how some women get taken advantage of especially since Tenko in this situation is a man himself. Then he would still want to give Tenko a moral compass so they would still go out and protect woman.
Tenko's reason for hating men is mostly experiences anyway, the master's words are just the straw that broke the camels back.
There would be a lot of mixed messages, and the two would probably just cancel each other out and make Tenko more awkward around women. For example Tenko would protect Kaede or someone and then she would give him a hug and he would be like "no Kaede you can't do that you're going to make Tenko weaken his neo aikido energy."
Then Tenko would be afraid of having romantic or sexual thoughts about woman because A he doesn't want to fall back on his training and B he doesn't want to turn into the men he fought on the streets.
But that's just my characterization.
The gag is like Tenko as a man spews traditional gender norm like oh woman should be in the kitchen make me a sandwich but she doesn't say men are the earners of the household you shouldn't cry because you're a man etc so that doesn't make any sense.
Also male Tenko is basically just Kaito and plenty of people love him.
Second also if Tenko was a man he would transition to be a woman.
Someone please explain it to me because I don't get it.
i think the fact that we can see the vote count at the end should've been discussed more
Another essay excerpt because that did better than I expected last time and I'm suprised people actually want to read my stuff.
Tenko Chabashira is an over-hated character in the fandom with people before the game even came out criticizing her and hoping that she died.
Now this is not everyone’s opinion.
I've seen many people praise Tenko, but it’s a widely accepted opinion that she sucks, ranking near the bottom on a lot of people’s tier lists and having people post on every social media platform how much they hate her.
I love Tenko.
She is my favorite character in NDRV3 and right now my favorite character of all time.
With the game already in its eight anniversary I thought, what a better time than ever to fulfill my civic duty as a Tenko fan and explain why she is a great character and doesn’t deserve nearly all the hate she’s gotten.
One of the main reasons people hate Tenko is her hatred of men.
I would like to lessen this to dislike because Tenko shows multiple times in the game that she does not hate men and there are also reasons behind her sentiments.
Tenko took her master's teachings very seriously; he was like a father figure to her (which makes sense especially since her parents abandoned her), and she was adamant about mastering neo-aikido.
Tenko is also really gullible.
It's why she believes Himiko can do real magic, so she would believe her master wholeheartedly when he tells her that interactions with men would weaken her.
It's similar to a child being told by their parents that if they are good Santa will give them gifts.
Another factor contributing to Tenko’s dislike of men would be her crime fighting which not only adds to her childlike nature but gives more of a reason to her so-called “man-hating.”
In one of Tenko’s ftes with Shuichi, she says:
“As practitioners of Neo-Aikido, Master and I… are also heroes of justice! Master and I wear masks to disguise ourselves! We serve to save, whether it is day or night! We do everything! Help an old woman carry her belongings… Help a child cross the street…Oh, yeah! I caught a thief the other day! We also punish degenerates who cheat and bring divine justice to gropers on trains. And even help girls who just had tough break-ups!”
Even though those don’t seem like the best reasons to “hate” a whole gender overshadowed by being hurt by men emotionally or physically.
If you think about it, it’s not the worst reason either, Tenko was just a kid and her master filled her head with misconceptions and stereotypes about men.
(In the end, he was just trying to protect but there are many more ways to go about it.)
Of course, Tenko didn’t have to believe it, but by being exposed to bad men on the streets when she and her master were fighting crime, and not having many interactions with good men, you can start to see where she comes from.
She’s just like a kid who never grew out of the boys' cooties phase (with a little more trauma), and as a kid, she wasn’t taught that all men aren’t bad, she wasn’t shown that all men aren’t bad, and she wasn’t exposed to the idea either.
I don’t think we should blame Tenko for something really out of her control.
Children are very impressionable that's why they're easy targets (well them and elderly people).
Their frontal lobes aren't fully developed so they don't think critically plus when your a kid small and vulnerable you tend to look to your parents for safety and guidance.
Imagine yourself in Tenko’s shoes. The man who is basically a father figure to her tells her all these misconceptions about men—and that they will stop her from fully mastering Neo-Aikido, something she has dedicated years to. With her low self-esteem, she likely already believes she isn’t good enough.
(While most of her self-esteem issues seem to be tied to her physical abilities, strength could play a role in that too. )
Wouldn’t that make you dislike them?
Then when he takes her out and she sees the men doing exactly what her master told her that they would do it would not only prove that her masters teachings are true it would solidify that hatred.
Now at the beginning of this section I said that Tenko doesn’t hate men but now I’m saying she does?
I believe Tenko had bad teachings and exposure that made her man hatred reasonable.
I don't think Tenko hates the whole male species as she says she does but if you're a man who hurts women Tenko is going to hate you with a burning passion an important distinction I need to make.
Tenko’s backstory isn’t perfect I’ll admit that but based on how she interacts with men during the game and how she acts overall bad exposure and teachings are a fine reason.
She’s rather boisterous and is like a ball of energy and can be overbearing to other students especially Himiko since how she acts with other students (not just the boys) is not “normal” per se (but no one in this game is normal) many people chalk it up to her just being annoying.
Still, I would like to add something else that may be a factor in her upbringing which I know I have already discussed.
Still, Tenko grew up in a temple with priests she was sent there when she was very young (there isn’t a specific age but many suspect five to six) so we can assume that she didn’t have a lot of interaction with kids her age (especially boys) with the only time interacting with people probably being people going in the temples for religious purposes or the people she saved while fighting crime.
A person’s upbringing especially if it’s bad or not normal can influence how someone acts just take Maki Harukawa, for example, she grew up in an orphanage and was trained to be an assassin during the game when Shuichi and Kaito are fighting she makes Shuichi watch her teaching Kaito to assemble and disassemble a crossbow so that they can make up, and when Kaito is kidnapped she reverts to the only thing she knows and tries to kill Kokichi.
Or Gonta Gokuhara who was raised in the forest by wolves doing odd things like not wearing shoes, lacking general cultural knowledge, getting suddenly controlled by strong emotions and having trouble with language.
So it makes sense for Tenko to act strangely and lack strong social skills, given her isolation from kids her age when she was young.
Unlike someone who has been interacting with others their entire life, starting from kindergarten, her experiences have been limited.
Or you can just say it’s her lack of understanding social cues and she’s neurodivergent coded.
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Tenko, while claiming she hates men, gets along fine with them and shows them support. Some of these scenes include:
Joining Kaito’s strategy meeting
Telling Shuichi not to be too hard on himself after Kaede’s death
Yelling at Kokichi when he makes fun of Shuichi without his hat
Promising to avenge Rantaro and Ryoma’s deaths
Complementing Gonta for being calm and reasonable after Kirumi accuses him
Feeling bad after flipping Shuichi over her shoulder and carrying him back to her room
Allowing Shuichi to participate in Aikido with her
Telling Shuichi he needs to gain more confidence in himself.
She is also lovely and caring, volunteering to protect all of the girls, placing herself at risk alongside Kaito and Gonta to save Kaede from her execution, and her friendship with Himiko, in which she tries to help her overcome her emotional suppression, demonstrates her compassion for others.
She is one of the most vocal characters when it comes to opposing the killing game they were imprisoned in, and she is always willing to offer assistance or emotional support.
Tenko has a wonderful personality. Her deep emotional core, supportive persona, and childlike thinking are qualities that I and many others can identify with.
These qualities, in my opinion, dampen the hatred of her "male-hating" mentality in some aspects and make her a charming character.
While having many ‘annoying/ undesirable’ traits Tenko eventually does have character development.
The main one is her dislike of men. I've already discussed that this dislike doesn’t seem genuine because, since the beginning of the game, she’s been having friendly, kindhearted interactions with men but taking that out of account Tenko does develop from the beginning of the game to her death.
Tenko’s journey reveals layers of her personality, showcasing how bad experiences shape beliefs and attitudes.
And how a good experience can turn it all around for the better even if her transformation is not entirely linear and overshadowed by other major characters (Shuichi Maki and Himiko.)
In her Free Time Events (FTEs) with Shuichi, she is very mean to him.
Nicest thing she says is that he can improve himself through Neo Aikido and become a good man like her master.
However, the interactions in her FTEs specifically with Shuichi amplify her disdain for men making it seem worse than it is in the game.
Despite all this she still she moments of genuine growth realizing that not all men are as bad as the ones her master told her about and the one she saw while crime-fighting through her experiences with Shuichi and the other men in the game she slowly but surely alters her perspective, and the journey leads her to form a friendship--though some would say acquaintanceship--with Shuichi (a man 😱.)
It’s a shift for her from her initial male-hating persona as she learns to accept that not every man is as bad as she was taught to believe by her master.
I could go on but this is getting long so in Part 2 I'll delve deeper into Tenko’s character arc and development in chapter 3.
Sexism in DRV3 is crazy-like which loud, hot headed, oddly dressed, self sacrificical, hero complex having supportive character do you like more? But ones a girl.
It's not about disliking any of them honestly-I used to hate Kaito for no reason-if you asked me I wouldn't be able to give you a straight answer.
Now I appreciate his character and actually like him and he is my second or third favorite male character (the spot for second place fluctuates with Kokichi.)
That said its worth recognizing the double standards, you can ignore and forgive every questionable thing Kaito says but don't start hating on Tenko for her male hating when it isn't even that bad.
You don’t have to love Tenko just like you don't have to love Kaito. But it's worth asking: "are we holding the girls to a different standard than the boys?"
If Kaito’s flaws don't ruin his character for you the same ones that Tenko has shouldn’t ruin her character either.
It's okay to have preferences but at least be honest with why you hold them. Saying "hey I'm biased I just like Kaito more than Tenko" or "I don't like Tenko for this super specific reason" is totally valid. But sometimes the reasons people hate Tenko don't hold up when you compare her to Kaito, and that's worth thinking about.
No hate if you like either and not the other- this is specifically for the people who say "I don't like Tenko for her personality and sexism" but then defend Kaito from any criticism about his personality or sexism/ toxic masculinity. I think it's worth questioning whether the issues might be more about how we treat certain flaws than the characters themselves.
Ethicality is the adherence to moral principles in decision-making and actions, evaluating whether something is right or wrong.
However, ethics in the form of Danganronpa is where the lines start to blur. It's not as simple as right and wrong. When your life is on the line, you can justify killing someone as self-defense, right? But it's not that simple once you add in the psychological and emotional factors—the stakes change.
What's the value of a life, especially one that's a stranger? What happens when that stranger becomes someone you actually care about? The price of their life may change, and suddenly, it's a whole new ballgame. So the questions become: how much would it take for you to kill someone, and is murder ever justified?
That’s what Danganronpa forces us to confront death isn’t just a consequence it’s the game and with every death comes new motives emotions and decisions behind it.
Some characters may seem like their killing to survive others do it for greed and their own personal gain and then you have the people who act out of pure fear and panic.
The physiological pressure the manipulation the backstabbing these aren’t just trivial things and there’s a thing in here somewhere about how being in a killing game environment isolated from the rest of the world with a bunch a strangers who can kill you at anytime would change you as a person effect your morals and such (but this sadly isn’t about that and maybe I’ll touch on that later, ) this is about how the killing game makes us and the characters question whether murder is even okay? Where do we draw the line? and why do we forgive some and ostracize others?
Of course, your first thought would be absolutely not murder is not okay, never under any circumstance. But then the other thoughts start to roll in, you think about your family you think about your life outside the game you think about the value of your own life then you start making friends with with the strangers that you’re trapped with, and you start to think about the value of their life then it becomes a twisted mess and the answer isn’t just a simple no anymore it becomes a no except… a maybe a yes only… your perception becomes skewed as other factors are weighed in.
Should we feel sorry for the murders or should we see them as monsters and what’s the cuff off point where do draw the line for sympathetic killer and heartless murderers
So, with all that in mind, how do we even begin to break down the ethics of murder in Danganronpa? It’s not a simple black-and-white answer. But here’s a framework to think about it:
Murder in Danganronpa: Breaking It Down with MBBCO Motive Brutality Bias Context and Obligation
*For specifically Dr based on the blackened trials and reactions of other students probably not good for use in real world situations*
Why did they do it? The motive is essential because it gives us a reason behind the action. Is it for the sake of others, like Kaede killing to end the killing game, or for personal gain, like Celestia? Some motives may seem more honorable, but it all comes down to perspective. Did they kill out of desperation, or was it a calculated act for personal gain? Understanding the motive helps weigh the ethicality of the act.
How did it go down? Was the murder violent and grotesque, or was it quick, swift, and painless? Brutality plays a significant role in how we perceive the act. Junko's actions were very gruesome and treated like a spectacle, while Kiyo killing Angie was painless, not very gruesome, and simple. Even though both had reasons, how the murder went down makes a huge difference. Was it cold or heartless, or were there moments of hesitation? Brutality not only shapes the act but also the way we see the killer.
Who is the victim, and who is the killer? Bias can cloud judgment, and while it shouldn't determine ethics, sometimes it still can. Take Kaito vs Kokichi, for example. The majority of the cast is quick to defend and stand by Kaito but ostracize Kokichi. This extends to everything, including murder. These biases sometimes get in the way, skewing the perception of ethicality.
Context: What was the situation? This is vital because the surrounding circumstances heavily influence the actions. If a character kills in self-defense, it changes things compared to a murder driven by power. Take Mondo as an example: Mondo killed Chihiro not just because of personal animosity but because of Mondo's fragile sense of pride and guilt. In his case, the context wasn't just survival or revenge; it was deeply tied to his own internal battle of self-worth. Context can either justify or complicate the ethical decision to kill.
Obligation: Was it a choice? In a killing game, the definition of choice can be murky. Was the character forced into a situation where they had to kill for survival, or was it something they actively chose for personal reasons? In some cases, like Hifumi's, it's clear he was manipulated, while many other characters acted on their own volition. The sense of obligation varies depending on the killer's mindset and circumstances.
Murder is always murder, regardless. But this doesn't mean we should ignore the complexities that determine the ethics and morals of each murder in the killing games. It's not always clear-cut, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Some characters make decisions we might understand, even if we don’t agree with them. Others make choices that are downright horrifying, and no amount of explanation can justify that. But that’s the beauty (and horror) of Danganronpa: it forces us to question the morality of our actions, and whether any of us would really be able to survive in such a twisted situation without crossing a line.
This is a rant/speculation about the addition of a second blackend in the Transfer Student From Beyond the Grave, especially with the implications of the first-come, first-serve rule.
"A lot of people talk about the missed opportunity and the idea of having two killers for Tenko and Angie in V3 Chapter 3, and yeah, I agree—having two blackends would’ve been cool.
It would’ve shaken up the trial, with the group debating when (or if) they should even bring up the second victim.
But the thing is, the real interest doesn’t come from the trial itself.
Sure, it might’ve made that useless scrum debate a little more intense, but the real draw for me is what happens after—when one of the blackends gets away scot-free."
Seeing the others having to live with a murder.
Now, you've seen how they treated Maki when she was revealed as an assassin they were nervous scared on edge and she was murdering people they never met.
Imagine how they would act if that were their friend, someone they cared about.
That's the part that would really mess with them. It's one thing to lose your friend, but it's another to know their killer is sitting right across from you.
The blackend might be alive, but socially, they're dead.
Every interaction would be laced with paranoia—the fear they will do it again—and infighting between people trying to pretend everything is normal and those being openly hostile.
Imagine the tension, the ostracization.
Of course, some people would try to make amends, but others would still see them as a potential second killer.
And the blackend, (seeing that with the rule only the first murder counts,) would probably realize they've just killed someone for no reason and are now being isolated from the rest of the group, being labeled a murderer and untrustworthy.
Maybe they would lean into their role as a villain, or maybe they would genuinely try to reach out and apologize, only to be shut down time and time again.
Even worse, what if the real danger isn't the blackend, but the others?
Someone could snap under the pressure and decide that if Monokuma won't bring justice, they will. Because who would care if a previously confirmed killer died?
They're a threat, and they killed somebody someone else cares about, so it's a win-win, right?
And the next murder—before no one had gotten away with it, but now it's been proven that it can work. You have the road map to get away with it.
You wait until someone murders, and then you kill someone who's a threat to you, someone you hate, and get away with it just like the murderer before you.
It turns the situation into not just a killing game, but a discussion about morality, ethics, and motives. Of course, these themes are in place throughout all the blackends, but it's different when you're condemning someone to an inescapable death versus them sitting across from you at the dining table, eating breakfast.
Of course they're still human but what if they killed someone you loved, someone you truly cared about, your only friend in the game.
(The arguements especially between Kaito Maki and Kokichi. chefs kiss)
In the end, having two blackends with the addition of the first come first serve rule would turn the game from a simple survival battle into a psychological minefield, where trust is shattered and the lines between right and wrong blur beyond repair.
The real danger wouldn't just be the killers, but the fear of betrayal, the crumbling of morality, and the weight of survival, forcing everyone to confront their choices of whether to forgive or forget and what they're truly willing to sacrifice.
The true impact of two killers is the emotional fallout—the fractured relationships and shattered trust. It's the heart of what makes the killing game devastating.