12 CHAPTER AT THE DAWN OF THE LIGHT IS OUT ON AO3

Full offense but sometimes fandom just totally make up the characterization of a character and then complain when that isn’t canon

THIS DRAWING WAS MADE 700 YEARS AGO BY A 7-YEARS-OLD BOY NAMED ONFIM WHO LIVED IN NOVOGROD.

So glad to be team "I can't wait to see what direction they take the show in" rather than "this is the direction I want the show to go in and if it doesn't go in that direction I will be severely disappointed and Viv is a bad writer also"

Like it's not your show, it's her show, if you want a show that's different write it yourself then. Just because you expected the show to go in a certain direction doesn't mean the writers owe you that. And like,,, okay you're allowed to be disappointed for yourself but don't be all "the writing is [objectively] bad and the show is bad I thought this was gonna happen and it didn't waaah"

People will get mad when it comes off too fan service-y but also get mad when something happens that they don't like. Make it make sense.

a long list of regrets

ok...but maybe you've been giving too much credit to some fan theories forgetting what the actual elements of the story are thus are now blaming the author for not giving you what you wanted in a misplaced sense of betrayal when you are the one who's been feeding yourself lies the whole time

He's so tall he's basically a humanization of Eiffel tower

i was thinking about this since i posted earlier about us needing to address the trend of gen z men being pulled into alt-right pipelines might have contributed to the outcome of this election.

i think contrapoints is really smart, and from what i’ve seen, has been way more effective at getting people out of harmful ideological pipelines than i’ve seen from the majority of leftists online who instead berate and drive a greater wedge of antipathy (though i understand why! and it can be very hard to have empathy for the people who see you as a threat). that antipathy makes the right more radicalized because they don’t feel like they can talk about anything without the “crazy lefties” who won’t even engage with them. where did these issues come from?

what i’ve noticed, and i’m even guilty of this, is that people don’t interact with groups of people whom they refuse talk to, which makes realities more hypothetical in the minds of their opponent since they aren’t open to seeing reality from their perspective. this is true on both sides. from what i’ve observed, it seems to originate from hypothetical perception of the opponent, but when people treat those perceptions as though they are real, it becomes real with their actions, which then makes the antipathy justified to someone. again, on both sides.

what makes contrapoints so successful at breaking this down is that is that she creates these socratic dialogue skits that represent real people and ideologies, has a sense of humor, isn’t afraid to discuss these things, reframes how we see these things by introducing nuance to both sides. she’s a leftist, but she also knows how to engage without ripening division, of meeting someone halfway and being completely humble about it. she is able to soften extremes.

she is able to get into the mind of people who aren’t aligned with her views, understand the nuance and rationales from a realistic perspective, breaking down a big block of “this is all bad” into “ok, some of this makes sense…”, what this does is create a space for self-reflection that doesn’t feel ham-fisted (which could otherwise cause people to double down on their beliefs instead of opening up to other perspectives outside of their bubble). while also being entertaining and well-produced on top of it.

what she is doing is creating these scenarios and socratic discussions that SHOULD be happening in real life but aren’t in this polarized social climate.

i graduated from new college of florida this spring, the small liberal arts college that was in headlines across the country for ron desantis’s board of trustees hostile takeover and exodus of professors.

new students and student athletes from conservative walks of life were being basically incentivized to go there who were taught to fear the lgbt boogeyman growing up in their conservative communities. but once they actually interacted with lgbt students there, many of them they felt like they understood them, and they weren’t as bad as they were told they would be. new college of florida was also famous for getting derek black (child of the man who created stormfront, and godchild of the kkk grand wizard david duke) out of white nationalism. their peers at NCF called them out but also interacted with them, invited them to dinner. black wrote a book about it.

now of course some people are too far gone and you shouldn’t waste your time with them, like derek’s family for example. but i also think a lot of people who voted for trump are not informed, are operating off of emotion and knee-jerk mentality because it’s easier than thinking, and they are not seeing the discussions that need to be had to change their mind because fuckin…nobody is doing them.

and we feel this visceral disgust to people of the opposing party because of its associations. i just want to know how it happened and how we got to be like this. i think social media is partly to blame and also the algorithms that take people down dangerous pipelines and sharpen them, insulate them.

i myself understand the vitriol you might have for anyone that voted for trump. i feel so disappointed that half the people of this country voted against our collective benefit. and i’ve seen a lot of sentiment from the left today saying “every single person who voted for trump is dead to me. i disowned you”.

you can see the reality of trump’s demagoguery, and it’s so obvious, but what i want to know is: what do they see? why did they vote for him? emotion and entertainment travel faster and have more reach than reason. and it’s that’s why i think contrapoints’s videos are exemplary at tackling this ideological divide. this is something i’ve been thinking about for months before today and i thought now was a better time than ever to give my two cents on it.

I don't even understand where this argument came from, because what did people watch the series with? Blitzø is the best of the three, he's obviously an amazing father, I wish everyone had such caring fathers. Stolas is also a good father, although with all his life problems and everything that happened in the series, I can 100% understand why Octavia thinks that Stolas might leave her, it's a difficult situation. Lucifer is the last one, but I would never call him a "bad father", yes, he is not the best, yes, he is too withdrawn and thought that Charlie doesn't need him that much and only called sometimes so as not to "bother", thereby spoiling their relationship and causing many years of distance (although this is also related to his mental health, because apparently Lilith had to take Charlie away from him for some reason), although we know that Charlie also didn't really call because of her doubts caused by many years of distance. But with all that, it's still very clear that he dotes on Charlie, she's his whole world and Charlie also craves her father's love and approval. Lucifer isn't a perfect father, but he tries, especially since he's now much more supportive of Charlie's stance on sinners, I think their relationship will start to heal in Season 2.

I never had a father, so I think it's understandable how I feel about it. I love seeing caring fathers 🥺

I know that probably not many people will share this opinion but i am kind of afraid that Lucifer will live in the hotel and become part of the main cast

It is not because i dislike him or anything but i fear that him staying in hotel will only cause that he overshadows other characters especially female characters like Charlie

Like he only was in two episodes but the fandoms already acts sometimes like he is the main character. I like Charlie, she is one of my favorite characters but I feel like she get both in the show and fandom shoved in the background for often male characters like Alastor and i don't want her to become a secondary character in her own show

I want Charlie to be the one who takes the lead and fights for her hotel without complety depending on her father, i already wasn't the biggest fan of Lucifer appearing out of nowhere in the final to save Charlie from Adam despite it making I guess technically sense.

Charlie is already unterrated in her own show more than enough and I fear Lucifer living in the hotel will make it even worse. I just hope he will stay more on the side lines and support Charlie without it becoming his hotel

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Or something something about feeling inadequate (totally not projecting)