Just to add to this, the entirety of the core-four/Tim's era of sidekicks are all drawn in incorrect ages at some point (or all the time in Barts' case)
Going off their ages in the original YJ comics, Tim is 2 years younger than Jason Todd (who will be my reference point), Bart and Cassie (I think) are both a year older than Tim (making them 1 year younger than Jason), and lastly KON IS THE SAME AGE AS JASON!
Which is something to think about since Jason is drawn like a man going through a mid-life crises but Kon is still drawn early 20s (or younger.)
Therefore, (going off Jason's' age being 22-23):
Tim: 20-21
Bart and Cassie: 21-22
Kon: 22-23
Personally, I think Kon and Cassie are the only two that are drawn to their correct ages (including Jason) and DC need to get their act together and get everyone's ages in order.
"Bart's aging has always been everywhere so it's not invalid to draw him like this [9-11 years old]."
Incorrect. While Bart's aging has been variable throughout the comics it has always been explained by a very clear and blatant events preceding the aging.
The youngest Bart has been in the comics barring flashbacks, and literal one-off aging time shenanigans, is 12 which was a thing for all of 3 pages then he rapidly aged to 14 and was stable for a long, long time.
Bart did not experience any changes in his aging (baring one gag issue where he was a toddler, and the Sins of Youth arc where he was an adult temporarily) for at least two years comic-time.
After apprehending Superboy Prime, Bart was aged to an adult, against the advisement of Geoff Johns and Mark Waid he spent time as The Flash until he was given a mercy kill.
Bart was brought back to life by Brainiac 5 in Legion of Three Worlds where he was reset back to his original age before he was aged up, landing him around 16-17 years old.
Flashpoint happened and he was taken out of comic continuity.
Bart come BACK into comic continuity but we are uncertain what his age is - and this is also something he himself is noted as saying he's not sure what his age is either. Logically, if he never aged while in the Speed Force then when he popped back out he would still be around 17 years old. This is the youngest he can be. Tim, Cassie and Cissie meanwhile aged around a year since Flashpoint and their ages are nebulous. Kon's age as well is uncertain.
Realistically, the Core Four should be in the 18-20 range at the youngest, but if we're going to be 'fair' and accept the reboot fucked age relationships up - then their last posted ages anywhere from 16-18 would be valid.
Bart is not being drawn anywhere near that age group currently in the current run of The Flash and is consistently being depicted as smaller than Jai. This could be valid, as 13 year olds can be VERY BIG and for some completely at their adult height - but the thing is Bart is being drawn SMALLER than he was pre-Flashpoint.
I am so sorry I am so agitated. Even being FAIR it doesn't add up or make sense.
Fixed typos and an error.
He bought fake blood for dramatic effect...
Becuase he's just like that.
Just actually read the titans tower incident
WHERED HE GET ENOUGH BLOOD TO WRITE THAT
NEITHER OF THEM WERE BLEEDING THAT MUCH
(and Thad, but shh)
Instead of Bart being saved and sent to the past by Meloni and Iris, he instead stays in the future and under the rule of President Thawne.
He is then basically groomed and made into a super-soldier/mercenary for the government along side Thad (who is Barts' twin and not a clone). The two grow up in VR together and the simulation basically trained them to be said soldiers.
Then they two get sent back in time by President Thawne to kill Wally - who is their father, because we don't have Barry.
In the end, the two have a redemption arc and end up helping Wally while still having the skills and mindset of children who were groomed into soldiers.
Pure autism bellow;
The reason Bart and Thad grow up together in VR is to create a sense of only having each other. They won't be loyal to Thawne, only to each other simply because they are the only ones they've ever known. The lack of human contact in Barts' backstory always seemed weird to me, since it wasn't really explored, so having the two of them will allow them to still have the sense of humanity.
The ageing problem: For those unaware, Bart experienced rapid ageing dur to the speed force and was only able to start ageing normally when Wally fixed him. This gets changed to the scientist fixing them, but after a longer time - so Bart and Thad are both ~15-16 when they go to the past instead of being 12-15.
Wally being their dad is so they have more of a connection (also I think It'd be really cool if Wally didn't know and Bart and Thad used it against him once he found out). Also because, again, there is no Barry.
Lastly, the whole VR thing. I always found it weird that the VR was like a weird game/fever dream. Like, why would the government spend so much money and time on a child to get nothing out of it? So, having the VR actually be more similar to something like Elden Ring or Skyrim where it's opened world and they can talk to whoever - but they have to fight a bunch of big bads. It'll also be really intreating to explore the lack of care for other human life because they wouldn't realise that people aren't just code until later. (murder twins, and when Wally gets mad at them they get confused because they simply don't understand)
Uhhh... yeah. Bart and Thad being brother and child soldiers for the government sent back in time to kill their father is something I'd like to see.
(I just want to explore the consequences of children being raised in VR and not being socially conditioned properly... man, I have issues).
You are the devil. I sat here for 20 minutes, debating which one to pick.
you know what I'm curious, for the duke girlies (gender neutral)
It's even funnier if you remember that Owen is Barts' half-brother. So not only would Tim br dating his parents murderers son, but he'd also be dating one of his best friends' brothers. XD
You know if Dick had a relationship Tony Zuccos kid:
and Bruce is having relationship with Joe Chills kid:
then if we’re following trends…:
The amount of joy I feel is immeasurable.
Look at my babies!!!
What's your favorite part of creating characters?
Fucking them up.
If Thad was to ever come back (and was characterised/written correctly), he should join the Outlaws to complete the set of Bat, Kryptonian, Speedster, and Amazon.
It would also be really funny to watch everyone else react to that (especially Bart and Tim)
How to properly tag shit because so many tags are borderline unusable in this fandom.
- if you are in the Roy Harper tag, and any Jason Todd other than Robin!Jason is mentioned, you should tag RHATO.
- if you are in the Wally West tag, and Dick Grayson is in your post, you should tag titans or yjanimated.
- if you are in the arrowfam tag, there shouldn't be bats in your post. if you are in the wonderfam tag, there shouldn't be bats in your post. if you are in the green lantern tags, there shouldn't be bats in your post. if there are bats in your post, then tag it as titans/justice league/whatever based on the bat in your post. make it possible to filter out unwanted characters.
- if a character is not mentioned, don't put your unrelated posts in their tag. i cannot understand why the lian harper tag is the way that it is, and i sure would like for it to not be that way.
Blacklists only work if we tag things properly. I can barely scroll through the Roy Harper tag despite having RHATO, red hood and the outlaws, and jayroy all black listed because of improperly tagged stuff. I know we all want our posts to be seen, but the fandom is a healthier, less toxic place when we help each other out. People can't filter for things they enjoy if we overrun their tags with unrelated stuff, and then that just ends in arguments.
Here's some Roys in honor of reaching the end of this post <3
And a Klarion the witch boy for good measure :)