“Those poor boys”
“She deserves to be punished too.”
“I’m not saying I support rape, but-”
“Sorry to say - she deserved it.”
“She put herself in harm’s way”
“But if she was fingered, then that’s not rape.”
“She ruined their lives.”
There's something so incredibly shitty in the way spop characters act like they constantly have to worry about Entrapta, where she goes and what she does, when in reality Entrapta is the most capable and smart of them all. Think about it. Entrapta was able to hide from the infected robots until Glimmer and Adora found her. One could argue that was easy for her because she was in her own casle, but remember what happened in the Fright Zone?
Entrapta separated from the other princesses, she found a robot friend (Emily), even saved Sea Hawk from Scorpia and then she returned to her friends like she went to take a smoothie. All of that in a place she has never been. Of course, Entrapta also survived the fire trap that her friends thought killed her.
When Catra and Scorpia interrogated her, Entrapta set herself free from the handcuffs and even took the taiser from Catra's hands like it was nothing.
What else? Oh yeah. She also surved on Beast Island without magical powers. In season 5 she got the datas to locate Glimmer and repaired Mara's ship from space with a spacesuit she made. She also took off Catra's chip and found a way to deactivate all the chips.
The list of good things that Entrapta did is longer than Catra's list of crimes, and that's a list longer than Doofenshmirtz arms!
Now, I'm not saying that Entrapta is so talented that she doesn't need anyone and she didn't need rescuing. At the end of the day everyone needs a little help, like how Entrapta needed help to stop the infected robots and to leave Beast Island.
I'm saying that it's really unfair how Entrapta is portayed like someone who needs babysitting because she can't take care of herself, when it's clearly not like that. It would have been great if the princesses worried the right amount for Entrapta, like Scorpia did, instead of treating her like a problematic child. I have the feeling all of that was rooted in ableism and the love for the writers to babyfy Entrapta.
Anyways so Bruce Wayne is an overgrown manchild with attachment and control issues and hitting your kids, even if they are adults, is fucked up.
The Robins & co are not often possessed in a way that "justifies" beating them.
Just because the "adult batkid" swings first (usually because Bruce is being preemptively shitty, like lying to them and forcing them to the place they died at to re-trigger them about their death, or having secretly faked their death after their real actual temporary death and forcing them to submit to pretending to be dead and going undercover on a mission he wants them to go on, to pick some non-random examples) does not mean subsequently beating them into submission isn't abusive as he has a position of emotional power over them.
Additionally, there are ways to abuse your kids without beating them. Such as Tim's 16th birthday thing. Everything Bruce did to Stephanie pretty much. Isolating them (multiple incidents of this including the 16th birthday thing, the implications that Bruce doesn't want Robin!Jason to work with the Teen Titans, Stephanie again, his general stance that Cass doesn't need to get involved in more civilian things because "she isn't interested" & encouraging her worst habits). Pressuring Duke operate in the suit Bruce gave him despite his personal preferences being something else might not be strictly "abusive" bit it's definitely over-controlling of him.
And look I don't give a fuck what in-universe justifications there are. if the person you have power over, adult or child, stops hitting back, you really don't have any fucking excuse if you keep beating them (RHATOv2 25, I think the dick thing was still in forever evil, right? or was that the beginning of Grayson?). I'm still not over the "I wasn't beating my kids I taught them a coded language that I was sending them messages by hitting them." <- not a normal thing!! No I don't care that they're vigilantes no one else in-universe does that shit!!! FUCKING NO ONE!!!
And! I mean there are instances where that's the case like Dick cussing Bruce out about Jason's death and Bruce punched him. Yeah I'm familiar with visual symbolism and what that was meant to do at the time, that doesn't change the fact that when we get further patterns of the behavior, the context stops fucking mattering. (Uhh, didn't he also hit Tim after Catwoman left him at the altar? I don't really read for him often so idr.)
God, other people probably could go on in more detail and my recollection here might not be perfect bcs for once I'm not just going and pulling up every fucking source like I normally would, sue me I'm sick, but hoooly fucking shit. "Yeah he hit them but it wasn't abuse" that's really the take you're going with here??? That's really the take you're fucking going with here????
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this is my version of a ‘things to keep in mind when writing abusive/bad parent bruce’ but this is focused on bruce’s perspective rather than that of his children. i am not debating whether or not bruce is written as abusive (he is) or the exact parameters of the harm he has done.
1. bruce has mistreated all his kids at times. bruce’s kids all overlook or put up with his bad parenting to some extent
2. bruce (like all abusers) will not change unless he is made to* his behaviors serve a purpose and benefit him. if he didn’t get something he wanted from it there would be no need to subjugate and punish or lash out at** his family. this stuff is not some kind of self sabotage that hurts him worse than it hurts anyone else. i don’t think he takes pleasure in hurting his kids but it is a means to an end for him. the behavior may be borne of or influenced by trauma but that does not excuse it or make him any more worthy of understanding or forgiveness from the people he has wronged.
3. bruce is well meaning and cares a great deal about the family he mistreats. he knows them well and wants them to be safe and happy but he is clearly very good at ignoring all that and prioritizing his preferences and imposing them on others if he chooses. abusers often have good qualities and not just as some kind of camouflage or shell they show the world but because all people have some good qualities. there is no amount of goodness or benefit to the world as a whole that excuses or erases the harm a person does. abusers are incredible at feeling bad about things they do and the ways victims are impacted but not letting it influence their opinion of themself. abusers are commonly able to denounce the violence and cruelty of abuse while holding themselves as different and justified. they don’t necessarily think of themselves as bad people. all of this is important to keep in mind when going for a nuanced take on bad parent bruce
*he is made to understand that the only way to be in his family’s lives is to actually change and progress and quit hurting them
**i am talking about both physical abuse, emotional/verbal abuse, and control and coercion using his wealth and his role as their father and batman
I'm curious, what are nudibranchs? They sound neat.
nudibranchs are a whole order of marine invertebrates!! they're commonly called sea slugs!
you might know the sea bunny (Jorunna parva) which went viral for being so adorable with its little tiny bunny ear like rhinophores:
but nudibranchs come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and places all over the world!!! they range from literal bean size (blue glaucus) to Absolutely Mahoosive Specimen (black sea hare)
as much as i want to give a little kiss to every single one of them, it's recommended not to touch them because some of them are venomous, and some are protected under law depending where you are in the world! i will do so from a distance instead
thank you for all your jason posts! it's frustrating when some more titans-adjacent fans (especially hurts if you like mia and others too) like to warp any fans of him into being like serial killer fetishists, or act really misogynist and assume one only likes him for being "hawt guy", and then even warp some of his canon faults and shitty moments to be even worse than they are like saying he killed everyone at mia's school or wanted to SA her. at least charge him with the crimes he really did, people.
They claim he what
They said he wanted to do what to Mia
I'm genuinely upset about this
Also yeah that sexism towards jason fans thing is so real like yeah assuming we're so shallow calling us "fanon fans"/assuming with zero proof that we don't read comics (which you know is just repackaged "fake fan" comicsgate discourse) it's so fucking annoying like "jason fans have stolen traits from other characters and his personality is just fanon and they just like him because they think he's woman-coded because they actually hate women but what can you expect from stupid little girls who wouldn't know any better"
It's almost like because this character is popular amongst women there's this assumption of shallowness.
And also like, I do make a lot of post about how interesting he is and the catharsis he brings but I feel like in the end nothing I say matters when it can be waved aside with "you're just bending backwards to defend your favourite serial killer white boy you fangirl", nevermind 1) my actual gender and 2) that jason isn't even a serial killer. It's like, I feel like being a Jason fan I always have to prove I'm not shallow to others and have a right to my interest, which is a very usual, tiring experience and like, when in doubt people should assume depth and intelligence. Why do I have to defend my depth all the time? I shouldn't have to be defensive all the time I shouldn't have to perform the social equivalent of an IQ test to be allowed to engage in fandom.
There's a lot of sexism in fandom and yes, this can definitely happen to female characters, I've seen the way people talk about Stephanie Brown or Talia al Ghul and Jesus fucking Christ wth. And yes, at large, there's also a question of the impact of sexism on popularity at large, aka characters that would definitely be more popular if they were men. That absolutely does not mean that liking a male character somehow makes you a misogynist (and especially not with how talk of sexism in fandom doesn't often take into account gender stuff) and most importantly sexism in fandom is not limited to sexism towards characters. People are sexist as fuck towards female fans¹, notoriously real life human people. But I'm not fucking shallow. I know when I'm being called a fangirl even if it's dressed up in fandom speech. "Read a comic" how about you read all the meta I've written about all those comics I have read.
So anyway sorry that got a little out of hand I'm pretty upset about that one but I'm really glad you like my posts! I'm just tired because as much as I love literary analysis I just wish I didn't have to be on the defensive all the time. Maybe next time someone claims we're shallow we can join forces to print out all the good JT meta out there into one big book and beat them up with it- aside from that I'm all out of solutions.
Also just one last thing - "they just like jason todd because they think he's hot" this is comics. Literally everyone is hot. Who's your fav? Starfire? Oliver Queen? Kyle Rayner? Dinah Lance? Donna Troy? Raven? Cassandra Cain? Dick Grayson? Do you think your fav is ugly? (John Constantine fans this doesn't concern you). "They just like him because he's hawt" is short for "because I don't find anything interesting in him I'm going to assume shallowness and act sexist about it because I can't conceive that different people have different tastes and may enjoy different things than me without acting superior about it." But also it's ridiculous because again, this is comics. They're hot. 🤦
1. And towards female writers. Devin Grayson I haven't forgotten you. They should be so ashamed of what they did to you.
…You know what? I’ve decided something.
If ever I were somehow able to get isekai’d into the DC Comic!verse, and somehow get close enough to Jason to do this, I’d slap a sticker on his face. Like, those really awesome scratch-n-sniff stickers you could get at Scholastic Book fairs that just reminded you of the smell of books (my favorite was the popcorn). And I’d just slap a bunch of those suckers on his face. Bruce would NEVER have any of those stickers on his face! It’s not much, but eh, it’s something!
Or I’d use face paint if he’d let me. I’d make him look cool, like a dragon! Or I could just make him look silly. Let’s see him be as sad now!
Jason canonically looks really fucking similar to Bruce. During off days, he avoids mirrors and reflective surfaces because all he sees is his dad who failed him
(un)friendly reminder that tim drake was NEVER the ceo of wayne enterprises. that never happened. its all fanon. its wild to me that some of you don't know that.
Jason does a really interesting thing in UtRH where he consistently positions himself with the other victims of the Joker. Every speech he makes about the Joker is essentially "them and, worse, me". The worse there being because Jason is Bruce's son. His argument over the various moments (and this goes for Lost Days, as well), comes down to this: It is bad enough that Bruce didn't kill the Joker before Jason died. That, in itself, when the Joker had already killed who knows how many, when he had already shot Barbara (and Jason was alive when that happened, canonically) - that is nearly indefensible.
But even if he forgives that. Even if he accepts that.
The Joker then killed Bruce's son. And not only did Bruce not kill him them, he continued to not kill him, even when bodies continued to pile up. Note that at this point in continuity, not only does Joker likely have a body count well into the triple digits, he's also attempted mass infanticide and killed Gordon's wife (fiance?).
And yet. For his moral code, for his peace of mind, because it would be too easy - Bruce lets him live. And inherently, in the world of DC as it exists, letting the Joker live means letting the Joker kill. Even if you don't agree, it's certainly what Jason believes, look at what he says:
"I thought I'd be the last person you let him hurt."
So here's our scene: Jason, who has been positioning himself as both Bruce's son and also just another victim of the Joker, is holding the Joker at gunpoint. The options are: let Jason kill the Joker, or kill Jason.
Him or me, you have to choose.
This is a choice. This was always the choice. Inaction is still a choice. Every victim of the Joker is also a victim of the collateral of the no killing rule.
Him or me, you have to choose.
Bruce has to choose. No more pretending his choice doesn't have direct victims, no more acting like no-killing doesn't also mean accepting that the victim's of the Joker are a sacrifice to the rule.
Him or me.
Him or me.
Him or me.
You have to decide. You have to choose, now, while his victim looks you in the eyes. You have to choose while the victim still has a voice to tell you you're making the wrong choice.
But Bruce is Bruce. And he tries a third way. And everybody loses! Bruce finds a way to win and everybody loses - but then, maybe that's been the choice he's been making this whole time, over and over. Until there were graveyards full of the consequences.
If Jason is going to be wrong, let him be wrong and cathartic. Let him be wrong and still a voice of every victim. Let him be wrong and unforgiving, uncomprising, demanding every hero to choose, to look at the graveyards full of bodies and know their role in it.
Let him be rage and grief and blood crying for blood, of everyone who has ever been collateral.
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